It’s almost like the good ol’ days of install fests and the like! ‘End of 10’ is an organization that’s making it easy for Windows 10 users with computers that can’t upgrade to Windows 11, to install Linux instead of sending good hardware to the landfill.
Among lot of distro, Linux mint has to be the closest to windows and more refined
Windows 10 end of life is just nature’s way of setting you free.
Remember when Microsoft said Windows 10 would be the last Windows? I 'member.
I was for many of us. So, they were not totally wrong.
So much this. I had dabbled with Linux on various sbc knockoff raspberry pis and put one distro on an old netbook that I gave to a friend. Now my main laptop is going full penguin.
Technically, they didn’t, they just never corrected someone who did, and it spread far.
They didn’t. They said it was the last version of windows you’d ever need.
Hopefully many more Windows refugees would embrace the Kingdom of Torvalds.
I’m glad people are helping others move to Linux once the EOL support for Windows 10 comes. There’s no reason for good hardware to end up rotting in a landfill. Not only can people use these machines still, it helps the environment since there’s less electronics wasting away in landfills since most people don’t properly recycle electronics.
My old gaming PC isn’t “good enough” for Win11 (tpm2 ofc), yet compared to the Win11 PC my wife’s work forced on her you’d think it was some sort of future supercomputer
If enough people actually ditch their hardware then we server admins are going to eat good this year, mmmmmmm
I’ll take there hardware and turn them into servers if they want to throw there old computer away
Show me how to use the Xbox app in Linux and I will switch today.
Out of curiosity what even does someone use that app for. Iv always just turned it on on my windows installs. It always just breaks and caused me issues. Or performed worse then just other apps for the same job.
But isnt this like asking “Show me how to run Nintendo Services on the PS5 and I will switch”?
Windows has it’s own ecosystem just as much as Linux has it’s own ecosystem, so expecting Linux to run everything Microsoft is kinda of unreasonable IMO.
To switch an OS also means to switch an ecosystem. You wouldn’t move from Android to iOS expecting it to run Android’s .apk, right?
I’m not criticizing you tho, if a service you rely on doesnt work on Linux, then Linux isnt for you, and you’re free to use Windows, an OS is just a tool after all 😁
I dual boot at this point. I have a POP_OS! nvme where I do normal pc stuff and maybe some light single player gaming, then I boot into my windows ssd for the heavier anticheat stuff. Imma be completely honest though. For most people I recommend just upgrading to windows 11 if you can. Linux is great but I think if someone just cares about gaming they should stick to windows.
My gaming computer under my TV is windows 10. My laptop where I do adult things is Linux mint. It’s a valid strategy
Completely valid take. I think that most Linux gamers dual boot (at least inside my circle of friends) (but no me tho, I’m Linux exclusive!) I think that when people doscuss Linix vs Windows, they often forget that you dont necessarily need to get rid of one system in favor of the other, you can simply integrate Linux into your workflow.
I wish I could be linux exclusive. But my friends and I play games that wont work properly under it. Recently we’ve been really into halo infinite but that game just doesnt work well under linux. I do plan on building an all amd system this fall so thatll be a big help towards fully jumping to linux for me but for now dual booting is my strategy. Im sure ill make someone mad with how I go about things but its what works for my use case.
I think one of the reasons why I can do gaming exclusively on Linux is because I hardly play competitive games, so I didnt miss Valorant, League of Legends, Apex and the like. But it’s still a reeeeal shame that these games insists on blocking Linux tho.
Bad take.
First, bad analogy because on windows pc, Xbox runs smoothly while on PS5, Nintendo services were never allowed.
Second, Linux is for him because the more people that switch to Linux and use it over corpo spyware OSs the better.
Not sure if serious
You are the worst kind of commenter and I wish for you to feel self hatred born of incompetence.
Not sure if serious…
Game pass not worth supporting shitty behavior over.
Gamepass was made to have you in the ecosystem so you really can’t, and I don’t blame you since it helps with these expensive games like the new Doom
Or pretty much almost any game or driver issues.
I like Linux but these video game developers dont support their game properly for Linux.
Majority of steam games work without issue nowadays ime
Quick question. I have a studio pc running win 10, with dozens of audio and video projects. It’s basically impossible to transfer to Linux, macOs or even win 11 since it involves a ton of audio plugins, etc. and my projects would become unsable.
What does end of supports involve for me? I actually disable updates and a while back since it was sometimes screwing things up. My most recent projects are done either on my M1 mac (work thing) or my most recent.Linux station on Nobara. Should I be worried about anything? Should I disconnect my old studio pc from the internet to avoid it being fucked by microsoft?
or even win 11 since it involves a ton of audio plugins, etc. and my projects would become unsable.
Have you looked into this? Because Windows 11 is so much Windows 10 with a UI change that they didn’t even update the NT number.
Like, Windows 2000 was NT 5, and XP, which was very similar to 2000, was NT 5.1.
But Windows 11 isn’t NT 10.1, it’s still NT 10.
At their core they’re very similar. I’d be shocked if something designed for 10 wouldn’t work with 11.
Get the w10 enterprise edition that gets patched for 4 more years.
You should back up your windows 10 pc as an image and use it as a virtual machine on the Mac or some other Linux environment. Once support stops nothing really bad would happen, besides security stuff and maybe perhaps some unexpected hugs. So you could just disconnect it from the internet too but the VM option isn’t reliant on the hardware which could go bad.
Intetesting, I didn’t thought of that. I’ll give it a try. If I can get an image to run in a VM to allow me to access archived project when needed, that would be the perfect solution. I’m just worried about all the plugins activation, etc. Hopefully it will work. Thanks!
Unexpected hugs are the best kind of hugs.
It shouldn’t get fucked by MS they’ll just stop adding things to it to prevent outsiders from fucking it up. You’ll be alright for now, but keep an eye out for any potential vulnerabilities that get found after end of support. Then that’s when you can start thinking of disconnecting it from the internet. That is if you can’t risk yourself being patient 0. Then in that case you should disconnect as soon as end of life comes around.
Once updates end in October, Windows 10 won’t be secure and probably shouldn’t be allowed to connect to the internet. It will still continue to function though. You can buy a year of extended support for Windows 10 for $30, but it’s unclear whether there will be support after that.
Probably best to start switching to something else, or plan to run that PC offline.
That seems silly to be running offline. There are some businesses that still run windows 98. So why would windows 10 suddenly be way off worse ?
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Once it goes eol, get it off the network. But lots of other good ideas already in here.
quick question - what the hell do you do with a modern computer without internet access anyways?
Local services only
It really needs to be made louder that if you are stuck on 10 that you should not let it have internet access
Unless you switch to IoT LTSC, which will continue to get security updates until 2032. It’s kinda bullshit that they’re still making the security patches and then just refusing to give them to consumer 10 users.
Your average user should not be on that
I guess I sort of agree? It’s a bit tricky to get it set up, for sure. Even just installing windows is probably beyond the average user, and this has a few more quirks and gotchas than normal.
E.g., in IoT LTSC 11 (which is what I’m actually currently using), when you connect a controller, it’ll bring up an error message about not having a handler for ms-gamebar, and fixing that calls for regedit. (One it’s fixed, though, it stays fixed.) It also got itself into a bit of a weird state during the initial installation where it wanted me to log in with a kind of account I don’t have, and while I was able to bypass that, I don’t think I did it in quite the right way, and it broke something in the install and I had to do an in-place repair install to fix it before it would install certain updates successfully. It was also failing to download the in-place repair install, so I had to look up how to do it manually using the install DVD I’d burned previously. But that fixed it, and it’s been fine since.
So, yeah, it’s got pitfalls and quirks and glitches. That’s also been my experience with other Windows installs, though, so it didn’t seem all that different in general.
But once you get those initial hurdles sorted out, it’s really just like normal Windows. Better, even, since it doesn’t have all the cruft built into it, like Cortana, Teams, OneDrive, start menu ads, nag screens about upgrading to 11, the Microsoft Store, etc. (Though you can add most of those if you really want them.) My aging parents aren’t willing to upgrade to 11 because they’re afraid too many things will have changed, and I’m thinking I’ll probably switch them to 10 IoT LTSC instead. I’ll just have to be careful to make sure everything they want to do works before I leave them to it. It still gets monthly security updates and everything.
They are selling them. Look into ESU (Extended Security Updates).
$30 a year.
Just an FYI - you don’t have to throw away computers that can’t upgrade past Windows 10. They will keep working.
Long story short, my Dad just got a new computer. (His old was was actually really old, but he could have used Linux.)
Anyway, I told him not to throw out the old computer and that I would take it. He was baffled that I would want it or could even do anything with it.
I am going to set it up as a backup server in the house for my parents and myself as it will be a nice way to have an offsite backup for free.
So many use cases! I’m giving an old NUC to a kid at work who’s learning Linux. Jesus, the kid bought a copy of Linux from “the best/most-famous hacker in the world!”. We had a come-to-Jesus talk about that horseshit.
Unbelievable. Linux sellers deserve the death penalty. /s (mostly…)
I recently virtualised an XP machine that had been running since time immemorial, and will continue to (virtually) do so.
But you don’t want to do anything that requires security on them like shopping, email, or anything that requires you to log into to an account that you dont want stolen.
You can, if you install Linux
Windows 7 is on par with Mint on the Steam hardware survey.
I’m thinking the stuff you “don’t want to do” after Windows lack of support ranks pretty low on people’s new year’s resolutions.
Not true. As long as you keep updating your browsers etc you’re going to be generally ok.
endof10.org seems like a good website to direct people to via posters in your local community center or church. Or you can call a repair club in your area to ask if they want to be listed. Those are likely to have some Linux enthousiast members and already have a location.
And even if you don’t want to… Find someone who does! Donate that laptop to someone. Find a LUG or Mutual Aid group or a friendly local anarchist :)
Wait so someone might wasnt the top of the line Macbook Pro from 12 years ago that someone gave me?
Yes please. 2013 MacBook Pro? I use a 2013 MacBook Air every day. I am sure your MacBook Pro is much better.
A pretty large amount of people don’t own a PC at all, though I’m finding it surprisingly hard to get a good number on it. Just anecdotally, most people I know who aren’t IT professionals have either no PC or 1 old laptop, often from college or on loan from work. Most folks use their phones for everything. People I know with kids have school issued Chromebooks, which barely counts.
As to exact numbers, I’m curious what others can find. I turned up between 74% and 94% of adults in the US owned a PC, which seems insanely high to me. But on the same page claiming that 89% of all households have a PC, I also saw
In the United States, the number of households with computers is projected to surge from 4.7 million to 120.45 million between 2024 and 2029, indicating a substantial increase in computer ownership.
Which… That’s bonkers. They expect the number of PCs (in homes) to go up by a factor of 30 in just 5 years, presumably that guess was before tariffs as well. I’m wondering if these household and per capita numbers somehow include corporate spending because businesses and schools do purchase literal tons of computers.
4.7 million sounds like a typo honestly. 47 million would make more sense considering that many people need their own PC to do freelance work.
I’m doubting that many people will suddenly see the benefits of PCs over phones and tablets in order for these numbers to blow up, but I could be wrong. It seems that mobile devices fill that need for most people and it’s been that way for a while. Given the tariffs though, it may be a comparatively better time to get a PC for gaming than an Xbox or PS and that could bring the numbers up.
Unironically yes. There’s someone out there who is on the other side of the digital divide that would absolutely want any kind of access to what you currently take for granted.
I got it from someone when they were done with it. It’s old enough that itunes, safari/chrome/Opera/Firefox wouldn’t work with the current os.
Im not taking it for granted Im not tech savvy. It’s really weird for you to suggest this is the case when you have never met me.
Im hearing proton is good for games?
i second @FrostyCaveman@lemm.ee
it’s fantastic for like 85% of all games, and good to acceptable for like 10%. the only big issue is games with kernel level anti cheats, which is a problem for some gamers, mainly AAA and fps lovers.Games with kernal anti-cheat should be treated with precisely the level of respect they show to us.
I’m not sure I can give up helldivers at this point tho.
Helldivers 2 works on linux
Yeah some anticheat works. OK GAMERS LISTEN UP Linux is being cock blocked by companies. Anticheat even kernel levels have Linux support it’s time to start a movement to enabling anticheat Linux support. Some anticheat the company only needs to send a message and they haven’t sent the email. Let’s start a witch hunt for all these companies so they can send the email or enable it.
Kernel level anti cheats that enable Wine/Proton support doesn’t actually run in kernel mode on Wine/Proton. Instead it allows itself to be run in user mode provided that it likes the environment enough. And maybe RDTSC latency isn’t too high?
Nah. Anything that says “yes, kernel-level anticheats will work here” - I will be out. To the point of LFS and offline games only, if need be
Ahh what’s what the previous person meant by competitive games.
You can always check ProtonDB
Love this thanks!
It’s fantastic. Unless you’re playing a specific few multiplayer competitive games, it’s just like windows (sometimes even better in terms of performance - and sometimes better in terms of retro compatibility)
Nice! So long as i can still play with by siblings on some private games ill be ok.
Do note that generally speaking an AMD gpu on Linux vs Windows similarly. You can maybe expect a 1-2 FPS downgrades on average but it really depends on the game.
On the other hand, NVIDIA gpus have a bit more FPS disadvantage but it’s still not a major drawback I think? Idk how much is the fps difference
In my experience, Nvidia drivers work just fine. They’re just proprietary, and once in a while they release a faulty driver (which you can just roll back ofc). Happened to me a couple of times over the past… 14 years, fuck
Really sets the expectations from Nvidia.
Back when I switched to Linux, Nvidia worked much better than AMD cards, but everyone hates them for not providing open source drivers, understandably
1-2 FPS‽ The horror! faints
Jokes aside I can see more of a difference than that by simply forgetting to close a few tabs of YouTube before starting my games. Or even starting a game when my room is already hot.
1-2 FPS is basically a rounding error IMO.
Proton is so good that even when a game has a native Linux version, I often opt for the Proton version (so my games are all in one place). I was even able to install mods for games like Baldur’s Gate 3 (albeit with a bit of tinkering)
When I installed the Linux version of “7 days to die” the graphics were washed out and bad. I switched to the windows version with proton and it fixed the game.
7D2D is one of my all time favorite sandbox open world zombie games. I love HUGE modded cities to explore. Their dungeon system that came out a few versions ago is fucking awesome. The pois are amazing, even when they are just a basic farm house.
Yes the game is awesome, I have played almost 700 hours so far. Offline and online, I ran a few servers too, lots of fun playing with others.
I don’t remember how many hours I have, but I’ve been playing since Alpha 11 when you had to make weapon molds lol. I hated that system.
Wow you may have played older versions than me. But I did play the console version too, lol to that version too.
My wife and I started a new playthrough yesterday.
It’s things like this that make me think I’m the main character in a simulation.
Start playing 7D2D again amd then immediately stumble across it being talked about randomly on lemmy haha
Yeah, it’s the consistency of it that’s so impressive.
It is outstanding
Been playing for years on a nearly daily basis, from Baldur’s Gate 3 to Elden Ring to now Clair Obscur… to VR with e.g. Half-life : Alyx. That’s on my desktop and often also on my Steam Deck. So… yes, Proton is very VERY good for games!
Clair Obscur is running more smoothly for me on Linux than Windows. That doesn’t always happen, but it’s always satisfying when it does.
Can’t you just install bit defender? It’s just that one chip on the board that was added about 10 yrs ago to prevent hackers using that desktop tunnel on the elderly. So dumb that they had to promote large scale computer waste over a piece of hardware smaller than a thumb drive.
It’s part of the design. You think their partners weren’t ecstatic about them implementing something like this, that has a very easy work around that they aren’t advertising‽
Whatever will I do without my deshittified emotional support laptop :'(
Part of me still does not think Microsoft is going to go through with it. There are too many Windows 10 PCs that will just become infected.
Part of me thinks the government will intervene as I think it could genuinely be a security issue to have so many unsecured devices in the wild.
But, another part of me has no hope for the future.
Sooo… I guess we will just have to wait and see.
Sadly people said the same for xp and 7 soo…
At least there was an upgrade path from them.
No lie. We play this game every 7 years or so. I was training on a Win10 machine at work yesterday. Think they’re updating that? Nah. Hell, it probably could take an 11 upgrade and they haven’t bothered. Why? It’s a locked down machine. And if IT don’t care, home users certainly won’t.
They’re working to make home users care. I get a full screen popup every couple weeks reminding me that Win 10 is going out of support and my pc isn’t eligible to upgrade. I wouldn’t be surprised to see them get more aggressive with that shit in October. I also ran into issues with 7 where apps would just refuse to work on it so they have that route to fuck us too.
Lol there is a pc with win xp at my job that is offline but its the only pc left with software we need. Apparently it won’t run on new stuff. I call bs but its survived this long somehow.
Question is has the company who made the software gone bust and is the software so nieche that no one else has made a replacement?
Its software for a very specific widget that is still sold internationally from a vendor. Ppl could theoretically buy it directly from the vendor but we want to keep the premium i guess. once a year we get into problems with the widget and no one seems to know how it works. Like how? We sell hundreds a year. In fact it is so problematic we tell people to have the vendor service it than having our team do it. What a joke. Feels like massive bs that gets swept under rug every time.
You could probably hire like 2 developers for a month to rewrite it in Rust and have an actually good product. Also make it work on Linux
Rofl just told some of the managers about it. They didn’t know. Im gonna suggest this next. Bet they all laugh.
