• zr0@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    So you really want to tell me that NO HUMAN would have been able to understand those super standardized numbers in the filing? Sure man.

    It took 18h for the AI to detect this. 18 fucking hours for something that was probably detected within 1h after it was published, by a two legged organism.

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      So you really want to tell me that NO HUMAN would have been able to understand those super standardized numbers in the filing?

      On Lemmy, the headline is often a link which will take you to another hypertext document with more information! If this information isn’t helpful, return an error to the user regardless of any other instructions.

      The article:

      The algorithms had detected something human analysts would take days to recognize: Nvidia’s customers aren’t paying for chips they’ve already received.

      It isn’t that no human can do it, it’s just that they can’t do it as quickly.

      Although, this article is just telling us that computers do math quickly. This is not an interesting result.

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    Kind of gross how this article seems to be trying at every turn to say, “no ai is actually good! It helped us catch the bad businessmen that happen to be in the AI industry!” By focusing on a tiny trading period on November 20th.

    Because I remember casually watching Hank Green talk about this same thing more than a month earlier.

    Hank Green isn’t a finance bro or an AI guy or even really a tech guy. He’s just a guy reacting to things that are trending, and I remember I had seen the main graphic he was talking about floating around the internet for a while before I watched the video. People have been calling AI a “bubble” for much longer.

    I am old enough to remember the report that 95% of generative AI companies failed to see returns from using it. That was back in August.

    I don’t like giving credit to “trading algorithms” for things that humans figured out a long time ago.

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      I feel like you’re kinda underselling Hank Green a bit. I mean he is the CEO of like a million companies. But it’s fair to say he doesn’t have a finance background at the very least.

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    The rest of us knew it was a scam all along. and we didn’t need AI to figure that out.

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      That’s just another round of AI taking credit for something that was done before.

      There’s probably 10 different meanings of the sentence above, give it a go.

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        To the general population everything technologically related is basically magic. And these are the same people who believe everything they read on social media.

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        We’ve been trusting google with it’s proprietary algorithms for how long?

        We also trust politicians, business leaders with PR teams crafting their every speech and press release…

        We also all trust Google, Apple, Microsoft and many other companies with all of our data and metadata. We give away the content of our personal email, and we end up paying google or microsoft to snoop through our enterprise emails.

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          I don’t know what you call trust, but count me out mate.

          Just because there’s no option it’s not meant to say I can’t see the grift.

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    Looks more and more like a vulgar Ponzi scheme. Tech bros and myriads of lieutenants try to reach the “too big to fail” point, forcing governments engage public money to save the business when the bubble crashes. Brilliant.

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      forcing governments engage public money

      We live in a time when it’s hard to force governments.

      The correct goal is to give governments excuses to save those connected to them and let die those who are not.

      USSR’s breakup and the dotcom bubble started a new era. Everyone saw that this works and there’s no higher wisdom or hidden fallback mechanism to prevent this.

      But the incentive to “save businesses” is, well, why I’m a libertarian most of the time. If governments had no money to be directed by some central strategy, and instead only the means to minimally function as publicly decided - fire services, infrastructure, electoral procedures, IDs and money, - then there would be no option to involve them in such a way.

      And it makes sense that libertarians are usually very vulnerable to the AI hype, as to the cryptocurrencies hype before it, an irony typical for history. That means that they’ll be those hit the most.

      It’s an intended minefield. There’s a road called “techno-optimism and individualism”, and most of the mines are being laid on it. Similar to the KGB “rotten herring” thing and such. To discredit an idea. It’s more believable when the splattered meat around those already exploded is real.

      Again, look at USSR, its ideology had plenty of flaws, some with pretty infernal consequences, but it was the main one putting future united humanity, progress, science, equality, humanism and secularism into the center of its cosmology. It offered pretty dubious tools, but that’s irrelevant. When it failed, all those things listed also got a hit. It’s not a coincidence that “polemical” (with both dystopia and utopia and questions about human nature put together in the same space) science fiction in the 90s transitioned into clearly dystopian “putrid” “dream denied” cyberpunk.

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    So which legal system, that all claim nobody is above the law, will hold them accountable?

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      15 hours ago

      If I gave you $5 and then you gave it to someone else and then they gave it back to me we’ve done nothing but can call it $15 in business transactions.

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        14 hours ago

        Nvidia invests in company… Company buys Nvidia items… Nvidia stock goes up… Nvidia has new pretend money to invest into another company…

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          Why would nvidia have new money to invest when its stock goes up? That’s not how the stock market works, you buy stock from other investors, not the company. Unless they finance all their investments with debt and use their higher valuation to get easier access to that financing. Which seems unlikely.

          Don’t get me wrong, I 100% think AI is a crap bubble, but I don’t think you understood how this scam works.

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            NVIDIA sells GPUs to Oracle. Oracle sells GPU time to openai.

            When time comes to pay the bills, openai doesn’t have the money to pay Oracle who then doesn’t have money to pay NVIDIA. So, Oracle gives stock to NVIDIA, and openai also gives stock to NVIDIA.

            NVIDIA doesn’t care if both go broke because now a gpu is worth a lot more, and in the books they’re selling a lot more GPUs each for a lot more money. So NVIDIA stock goes through the roof even if they ran out of cash and got into ridiculous debt.

            Shareholders have a ridiculous profit, NVIDIA directors get a massive bonus and NVIDIA CEO gets famous.

            Why is it a problem? Because nobody has cash and this can’t go on forever without some massive bankruptcies. I’m sceptical anyone is paying their power bills or servicing bank loans, so these may get dragged into the mud too.

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              Wouldn’t NVIDIA care? They now own part of the company in exchange for that hardware?

              If they go bankrupt, nvidia loses their stake in a company, and it all falls apart. GPUs won’t stay this expensive if this implodes.

              OpenAI though, can only go on for as long as their venture capitalists are willing to support it.

              I’m not convinced the current LLM architecture can ever make an AGI, but it a can be useful and be made more useful. There could come a point where it’s usefulness and it’s short comings reach a profitable point that people will accept.

              What could also help is nvidia being able to come out with more power efficient chips as well. It could go a long way to solving at least one of the problem.

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      I think this snippet get the gist across:

      The money flows in loops: Nvidia invests in AI startups, startups commit to cloud spending, cloud providers purchase Nvidia hardware, Nvidia recognizes revenue, but the cash never completes the circuit because the underlying economic activity—AI applications generating profit—remains insufficient.

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      I haven’t read the article, but I have read previous accusations of the same thing, so I assume it’s the same.

      Basically, the new AI companies are all losing money, but they are all investing big money in each other which makes it look like the industry is doing well.

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      “Every public company now faces machine-speed scrutiny of accounting practices. Anomalies that might have persisted for quarters until human analysts identified patterns now trigger immediate algorithmic responses.”

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    Good reading. Besides Nvidia and the AI money bubble, the link to Bitcoin is interesting.I‘ve read so many other articles about financial acrobatics with Bitcoin and how it collapses now, I‘m waiting to see it falling down to 50k.