Dont start with all this. Please. There are still people out there that are adamant the earth is flat. We aren’t ready as a species, to understand the universe yet.

Come back in a few 100,000 years.

I see where you are coming from, and have thought about this before when there was a group of people near where i live who were doing a sort of vigilante mob tracking down suspected pedophiles and terrorising them.

It just made me consider that they might be attacking people with a mental disorder who could/should be treated.

But just to speak to what you said, if they are non-offending, are you talking about the ones that dont physically assault children? Because the ones who are viewing and distributing csam are still harming children. Maybe not directly, but its like supply and demand, isn’t it? People make it if people want it.

I think perhaps even the violent ones should be treated for a mental disorder. Maybe punsihed too, but if you draw parallels to other violent crime, many argue other criminals should be rehabilitated. Should this extend to pedophiles too?

The more i type, the more nuanced this becomes in my head. Perhaps that in and of itself is evidence that despite the obvious knee-jerk reaction to probably one of the most heinous things a person can do. Perhaps there is just more to this than anyone is brave enough to admit. (I say brave because anyone that sees you defending a pedophile automatically accuses you of being a pedophile, which is a fucking pathetic leap to make)

Having said all of that. If anyone ever did anything like that to my kids, i would rip their fucking heads off.

Doesn’t this rely on the premise that the goal of capitalism is the only possible goal?

Do we need to progress at auch a rapid rate? Isn’t rapid progress what got us into the place we are now?

Capitalism has fueled the growth of industry, which has accelerated global warming, the destruction of flora and fauna that are essential to life as we know it. It has created billionaires who only care about being richer and planted the belief in billions of peoples heads that they need to strive to this goal as well.

You can blame governments all you want. But i think thats too simplistic of a view of where the corruption started. They didnt bribe themselves into allowing people to become billionaires. It was a slow process with many moving parts and the greed, fueled by capitalists is why we are in this state.

Just blaming the government is ignoring so many factors.

I personally would prefer to live in a world that only develops things it needs, including leisure items/products but not in excess and never in the name of profit. We shouldn’t bankrupt half the world to sit on our IP thrones and call it good.

Its bullshit.

I sometimes wonder about this. If a company can’t stay afloat without being paid for by advertisements, if their product can’t make enough money on its own to keep the company working, then is that product that important?

I appreciate it doesn’t work that way.

I just think if taxes could pay for water, gas, electric, healthcare, roads and infrastructure etc, then maybe we dont really need a fridge that can make a shopping list for us whilst i play doom on the screen.

Maybe we dont need slap chops and shakeweights.

Maybe we dont need all the crap out there that just isnt important.

Does my phone really need a folding screen or web access? Do we really need social media? Or youtube? In some cases, maybe, yes. But in the majority? No. I dont think we do.

I expect this is true. But just to point it out…

From the article:

It’s worth noting, however, that customer service representatives are often hired by agencies that don’t have intimate, accurate knowledge of a niche issue like this

So it is entirely possible that this is not true.

My dude! You were saying 90 and 100, which you haven’t been able to provide any proof for. I showed you literal evidence that you are wrong, and i feel like you are ignoring that. You should accept when you are wrong about something. I absolutely will if you provide evidence to back up a claim

As i stated, multiple times. Yes, 80 dollars is a lot. And arguably too much.

But to bring up the very first thing i said again. It’s just not new.

Admittedly it is more often than not the deluxe versions or 2nd tier of a games release that breaks the 80 dollar barrier but there are absolutely games over the past 5 to 10 years that have cost more than 80 dollars

https://pricespy.co.uk/games-consoles/games/ps5-games/final-fantasy-xvi-deluxe-edition-ps5--p7303985?

https://gamerant.com/most-expensive-steam-games/

Evben retro games had some going for 80 or more (in todays money thats 187 dollars give or take)

https://archive.org/details/RetroGamingProductCatalogs/Diehard GameFan Catalog Issue %233/page/n2/mode/1up?view=theater

Have you seen how much is costs to buy destiny the game? With all of the expansions (which sometimes get “sunsetted” meaning they take the content away as it becomes defunct due to power level shift and game mechanic altereations as well as light level resets)

Depending on where you buy it and what deals are on and if you buy the whole bundle or buy it in stages, it’s anywhere between 150 to 280 dollars. And then that game is riddled with microtransactions.

https://store.epicgames.com/en-US/all-dlc/destiny-2?sortBy=relevancy&sortDir=DESC&count=40

So its not new.

I dont think its good, i dont want to spend that much on games. But the outrage is based on a false premise. Thats all i ever argued. And so far you have insulted me, acted condescendingly towards me, basically called me a schill for nintendo.

Yet i have consistently backed up my claims with evidence and repeatedly stated that i dont believe 80 dollars for a game is a fair price.

Please at least acknowledge that you may have come in a bit hot and might have been wrong in your initial claim.

So, assuming you can’t find pricing right now would mean that you are speculating entirely and basing your whole argument on that.

But if you actually google it

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Mario-Kart-World-U-S-Version/15940407280

You will find that this physical game is 80 dollars on preorder at walmart.

A further search will show a number of games available for preorder

https://www.ign.com/articles/nintendo-switch-2-game-preorder-listings-are-live

And if you scroll through (its just a short way down the article, the most expensive game is 80 dollars and the cheapest is 40 dollars.

Does that change anything about you opinion? Now that i have backed up my argument?

Right. So its the willfully ignorant path then?

Come on, mate. How can you be so blind?

And as i said in the other comment. Please show me the 90 or 100 dollar switch 2 games.

But its LOWER than inflation. And its based on misinformation.

Is your argument against nintendo, or all game pricing?

If its all game pricing then i agree with you. Like i said in my “essay” games are too expensive.

If its against nintendo specifically then its not even correct. There are no 100 dollar switch 2 games. There are no 90 dollar switch 2 games. Thats factually incorrect and i implore you to find proof. I will shut my mouth if you do.

80 dollars? Sure. But as i said in my “essay” thats nothing new. And its not exclusive to nintendo.

All i am saying is your rage is misplaced and you need to know your enemy.

In fact. I dont care if you realise it or not. I dont need your validation. Im in my 30s. I’m nearly 40. i have been gaming since the sega master system. That’s fairly early doors for gaming. Its super early for console gaming. I know what i am talking about, i have been alive for long enough and paid for enough games to know what i am talking about.

The fact that you are just going to downvote me and offer absolutely nothing to counter my argument is enough for me to know you are EITHER too young to k ow about any of this, or being purposfully ignorant to jump on the rage wagon.

The fact you automatically think i am schilling for nintendo because my argument passively defends them (its actually an argument defending all game pricing) is just evidence of your immaturity.

Grow up, eh?

So after reading about how, when accou ting for inflation, games are actually cheaper today than they should be. Your whole counter is. “Hur dur, because no, dont write paragraphs, me not read more than 20 seconds. Hur dur” yeah good one…

I guess it is. But why pretend this is something new? Games have always been expensive. Ps1 games were between 40 and 60 dollars when they came out. That’s almost 110 dollars accounting for inflation on about 50 dollars then.

The ps1 itself would cost almost 800 dollars today, accounting for inflation.

Game prices haven’t really followed along with inflation. The 60 dollar game has been a thing since i was a child in the 90s.

I agree that perhaps 80 dollars is a lot for a game, and maybe they should be priced lower than 1 quarter the cost of the console, but thats a different argument.

What i am saying, again, is this is nothing new, and i think this outrage is symptomatic of “short-term memory loss”.

I wish games were cheaper. But ragging on nintendo for charging less than they used to for n64 games (when accounting for inflation) and selling a console that plays ps5 games for less than a ps5. Is a bit strange. I also think the portability of the switch is something neither of the big 2 have. The playstation portal is half the cost of a ps5 and has to be on the same wifi as the ps5.

I just dont see why people think this is so egregious.

I’m sorry, i guess i took it as implied. I think that’s a fair assumption because what else could you mean by price gouging when all people have been talking about is the $90 games?

If that’s not what you meant, then what did you mean?

Have you seen that nowhere is selling switch games for $90?

Look into it.

You know, I’ve had a busy day at work. i need to take care of a 5 year old and 10 week old baby. My wife is still recovering from a c section, and i just dont have the energy at this point in time. When i do, i will come back and respond to your whole comment.

The only thing i want to say right now, is that i dont care that you dont believe that i have responsibilities and can take care of my finances just fine, even whilst paying a subscription to something i believe is worth the money. I don’t care because it doesnt change anything. I still have to deal with it all, i still have to be an adult and some random fart of a person on the internet isnt going to change that.

Respond soon. Might be tomorrow, but i would like to address all of that BS you posted.

Ok… in terms of bills rounding up or down. If i am at a restaurant (to use your example) and someone says “what do i owe” and the amount is 34.17, i won’t tell them its 35. I will tell them its 34.17 but just give me 34. I wont tell them to give me more. That would be their choice. Why would you make someone else pay 0.83 more when it would only cost you 0.17 to round it off to an even number.

You want to call me a child because you think i dont know how to budget, based on you not understanding that 4.17 is not 5. It’s just not.

My credit score is near enough 1000 out of 1000, i pay a mortgage, i have a phone bill a car, gas, electric, council tax, vet bills, personal spends, school bills, savings etc no credit cards, small overdraft, not in use.

So yes. I budget… like a big boy. You condescending patronising jackass.

Yes, you replied to that other user, but your whole reply was about… wait for it… ME!

So i responded. And YOU brought up BOTW. So stop saying i brought it up.

There you go exaggerating again. “Hundreds of dollars”? I have been paying 1.25 a month for 4 years which is 60 not “hundreds” do you realise you are doing it? You are overstating almost everything you say which makes it seem more impactful than it actually is. Do you also think you have no money left when you actually have like, 100 dollars? Because you wildly overestimated how much you spend each month?

So you linked me to an emulator… great… what good does that do me when i need portability and i only have the switch with that function? I dont own a steam deck for example.

False dichotomy? Perhaps you need a dictonary as i think you have misunderstood the meaning of the word dichotomy. Roms having glitches is not a dichotomy… what is the other side of this dichotomy? What are you contrasting it with? And are you honestly saying you have ever found an emulator that can play conkers bad fur day eith no glitches? Because there isn’t one. The graphics packs aren’t up to it, and the roms are shoddy.

Perhaps you are trying to suggest that my stating that emulators are glitchy is not a reason to pay nintendo for one. Perhaps you are missing the fsct that i am already paying them for the online service for switch, and i wanted to mario kart expansion so even if i didnt also want the emulators, i would have them.

Perhaps you think everything should be free? As someone who rides the fine line between piracy and consumerism, i think some things should be free, but will pay for something if i find its more convenient. I dont care about paying 60 for 4 years of a glitchless emulator i can carry around with me. Just like i dont mind spending 60 on a single game i might get 20-100 hours of gameplay out of. I am sure you dont mind that either.

If its down to a cost benefit analysis, then I’ve done mine. And deemed it worth it.

Its funny how you ignored what i said about netflix, you saw the word and turned redder than the logo. I said that when they started the streaming service, most people pirating tv stopped. Because they offered a service that was more convenient and cheap enough that it wasnt worth pirating. I then stated that that has since changed as those factors wained. So what is your point? That you can’t read?

As for your summary of my mindless consumerism. Perhaps you should take a look in the mirror, you are blinded by your hatred of corporations and dont seem to realise that consumerism isnt inherently bad. Like with anything, at the extremes, it is horroble. Just like piracy. Nintendo might be a bad company, but the people who put in the effort to make the games, and the hardware, all of the work that goes into designing and developing these things that deserves fair compensation. I dont think i deserve that for free. I think i should have to pay for some things, because much to my dismay we dont live in a communist or even socialist world just yet.

Please take you antagonistic and arrogant stance somewhere else.

4.17 is closer to 4 not 5. I dont care if you spend more on meals than you owe because you dont see that. I was only pointing out that you rounded up the cost to emphasise a point that is invalid because i am not even paying 4.17, let alone 5 a month. So yeah i am gonna defend myself when, like i said, i am actually paying 1.25 (or 5 by your logic. Or would it be 0 because 1.25 rounds down to 0 in your world)

The lie you made is the price i am paying, what you get for the monthly cost. Again, you dont round down online access, multiple game expansions and a list of old games to just some old emulators.

You are purposfully ignoring features and increasing the price to make it seem like you are more rightm its dishonest and childish.

I have used emulators since the no$cash game boy emulator. For the most part they are good. But they dont play all games perfectly. Like banjo is full of glitches and crashes when emulated. Same for mario 64. Same for goldeneye. So not only are you underselling the nintendo switch emulator, you are overselling emulators like dolphin etc.

I appreciate the convenience of taking the emulated games away from the desktop due to the switches portability and if its costing me less than the proce of a cup of coffee per month then i would happily pay for the convenience. Its like netflix when iflt first came along. It beat piracy because it was cheap and convenient. Now that its so expensive the piracy starts again.

Did you just link to an article to show that they are removing games which actually just shows they removed 1 game. Since they added the service in 2018. Thats the most clickbaity article I’ve ever seen. Especially when they guy they quote calls for the return of a system that also removed games from the library…

Seriously. I dont think nintendo are a good company, we all know how greedy they are and how aggressive they are with lawsuits etc. But you are purposfully exaggerating to drive home a point that just isn’t true.

I mentioned BOTW because you did. I was responding to you.

Wtf? Are you for real?

Ok. Let’s not misrepresent what i said.

Firstly, you dont round up 4.17 to 5.

Second. I said i am in the UK, so i dont bay any dollars a month.

Third, I pay for 1 quarter of £5 a month, which is the monthly cost of a family account. Which i said i have. So it’s actually £1.25 ($1.64) a month.

Forth, The games that come with the expansio are not 40 years old.the expansion gives you the n64, gameboy advance and genesis games, which are 28, 23 and 35 years old respectively.

Fifth, as well that i get 48 mario kart maps, as well ss some other games. On top of the online play which you get in the standard pack, and some other bits.

Sixth, i have played and completed mario 64 and bajo kazooie on the n64 emulator. I have introduced my son to mario kart 64 as well. I also am slowly working my way through jet force gemini. I have complete goldeneye played multiplayer with my brothers here and there and am working through perfect dark. On the GBA emulator i am playing golden sun. 10 hours is a severe underestimate for all that and more.

Finally. If you are salty about BOTW, then thats your problem. But dont go around lying about what i said to make yourself feel better.

That’s $4.17 a month. It’s even cheaper if you get a family account and share with your family and / or friends like i do. (I am actually UK, but it seems the US price is the most quoted.) And comes with all the n64 (and the new gamecube) games. Its the cheapest online service of the three main consoles.

Also, to be clear. Im not a big switch guy, and i think nintendo are a greedy company. I mostly play playstation these days but my switch is handy and there are some amazing first party games.

From what i am reading only mario party jamboree and kirby upgrades will cost money, the zelda ones are free if you pay for switch online and metroid and pokemon dont appear to have any proce attached to their upgrades.

The running theory is thst most games wont cost to upgrade unless they offer expanded content. But expansions costing money is nothing new.