• unmagical@lemmy.ml
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    4 hours ago

    Oh? Is Israel finally letting Palestinians have free travel so that they actually can leave or is “leave in great numbers” a euphemism for the ongoing genocide?

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    Israel is the modern day Nazi regime and we need to stop mincing words about it.

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    To all those who stood up against “Genocide Joe”:

    MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!!

    Know that your internet slacktivism has made a lasting difference in the world, and the JIDF thanks you for your service.

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      Honestly, who the hell cares.

      Americans of every race made their choice in 2024 and there’s no point in speculating what the losing party would have done.

      The reality is what it is and we’re under Trump now.

      As long as those Americans understand what their vote was for and can live with it, that’s what matters and I’m 100% okay with my vote and I can live with it.

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        I care.

        More importantly, as a non-white American watching a genocide start at home, it very much matters who and what people voted (or didn’t vote) for.

        What really pisses me off is people saying democrats would have been just as bad, while we watch people drug off by thugs in black body armor to El Salvador to die without due process.

        I think it’s safe to speculate that that wouldn’t have happened under the alternative.

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          I’m trying to understand where you are coming from. In the general elections, I voted for Harris and Clinton after voting against them in primaries. The thing about voting and elections is that there are hundreds of variables involved, and focusing on one to pin blame on a sliver of the electorate doesn’t seem like thoughtful analysis or productive to an oppositional cause.

          You can point to turnouts and results from specific counties until your finger dries up and falls off, but that only highlights a neglect regarding myriad other factors that contribute to results. My opinion is that the Harris campaign ran the race the way they thought best and they lost. They lost. Sure, in sense we all lost, but they were the ones driving the bus.

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            We aren’t children without agency, they aren’t singers on American idol.

            They had policy manifestos, they were explicit about them.

            And the voices screaming to ignore everything else and focus only on Palestine as the only variable that mattered, in unison, with almost perfect resonance with Russian troll farms (curious given Russia’s close ties with both Iran and hamas in the lead up to october 7, and their use of Gaza to distract the west from support for Ukraine).

            We’re being played like puppets, and nobody is willing to admit there are malicious actors at work who benefit.

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      To all those who stood with Genocide Joe & Kamala Cheney:

      MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!!

      Know that your support for genocide helped usher in Trump & has made a lasting difference in the world, and the JIDF thanks you for your service.

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          So true. Democrats don’t have anyone to blame but themselves. Maybe they’ll learn or maybe they won’t.

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            We won’t even have real elections by then. your moral high ground is fucking worthless, when it garuntees minorities are just going to die. The “I’m gonna stand here and make sure you don’t win in protest” only works when the other answer isn’t straight up facism. Sure Democrats aren’t and won’t ever be progressive, but that’s because this country lacks a progressive party. And the time to create one was many years ago.

            The reason people like you can unironically think this fine is because the fascists won’t come for you. You can fucking sit there with your goofy ass smirk while I’m sure I’ll be right after immigrants on my way to some camp.

            You honestly act like what’s happening in Gaza would be worse with her. And as a result you really feel like just letting as many atrocities as possible happen is for the benefit of everyone globally. I can’t take yall seriously

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        The cope of liberals thinking that Kamela ‘most lethal military’ Harris was going to be any different on foreign policy are brain dead.

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          Compared to the 5d megabrain who thinks she would have threatened to invade Greenland and Canada while making friends with Russia.

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            Honestly I prefer that. Isolating the empire and getting the rest of the world against the country facilitating genocide is good to me.

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    I was told many times that the extremists who hold this agenda in Israel are a small minority and do not represent Israel or have much power over its policy.

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      Netanyahu isn’t seen as an extremist within Israeli politics. Zionism has always been fascist and always had the agenda of the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians

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        Probably the same kind of ignorance of other countries’ perspective that makes Americans think the political center is somewhere between the US Republicans and the US Democrats.

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          I know it’s framed that way deliberately to western audiences as a way to minimize Israels current actions as fringe instead of mainstream, but yeah, definitely taken that way from the audience. American exceptionalism still has a stronghold in the mentality of the people here unfortunately.

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    I hope one day the same will happen to Israel and Israelians and I hope no one will care anymore.

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      Or here’s a novel thought: how about we start hoping for bad shit to not happen? The cycle of revenge and “I deserve this land because X” is how we ended up in this situation in the first place.

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        No, we ended up in this situation because colonizers came and stole Palestinian land. It’s an Israeli myth that Palestinians first stole the land from the Jews and expelled them.

        The truth is, Palestinians are just descendents of ancient Israelis. They’re not invaders. They’re indigenous to the land.

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                Decolonization can be done peacefully.

                I don’t think that will happen, but it could!

                I also support Palestinian resistance, and that’s very different from Israeli violence inflicted onto Palestinians. Indigenous resistance to colonization is always justified.

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                  Decolonization can be done peacefully.

                  50 years ago you might have had a chance to make it happen, since most Israeli people would have been born elsewhere. Now you have multiple generations of people born and raised in Israel. They have nowhere else to go.

                  And you’ll have to forgive me for being skeptical about a Muslim majority Palestine being tolerant of religious differences if they regained control of the whole area.

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        That’s what I keep saying about adopting healing language/actions because it’s not different when we do it, for “reasons.” The Lemmy masses are almost entirely against it.

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        Settler colonialism is how we ended up in this situation. There is no ‘both sides’ when one is engaging in supremacy and genocide while the other is resisting eradication and fighting for their human rights

        Edit:

        For the people who are downvoting. Equating the violence here is the same as equating the violence in the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising. It’s been over 76 years of violent apartheid, supremacy, and ethnic cleansing.

        In the Shadow of the Holocaust by Masha Gessen, the situation in Gaza is compared to the Warsaw Ghettos. The comparison was also made by a Palestinian poet who was later killed by an Israeli airstrike. Adi Callai, an Israeli, has also written on the parallels in his article The Gaza Ghetto Uprising and expanded upon in his corresponding video

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          You’re getting down voted because you’ve missed the point. It doesn’t matter why the current situation is happening, calling for genocide as a response to genocide makes you just as guilty as the people you hate.

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                You blamed the current situation on the ‘cycle of revenge,’ which grossly misrepresents the reality of Zionism and the reaction of Palestinian resistance.

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                  And you keep ignoring the point that it doesn’t fucking matter. You can’t solve genocide with more genocide.

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      Zionism is the problem. While a small Minority in Israel, there are many anti-zionist Israelis who are playing a critical role in dismantling Zionism.

      It’s a one-state reality of supremacy and apartheid. The only way out is with ending Zionism and implementing right of return, equal rights, and massive reparations to all Palestinians

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        Unfortunately, from the outside it looks very much like the anti-Zionists are taking the position of “once the Zionists have done all the Zionism, we’ll give them a very stern telling off.”

        This may not be how it actually is, but as long as Yahoo and people of his mindset are in charge, it won’t look any better than that.

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          That’s certainly not what they are saying. Ilan Pappe and Avi Schlaim are great counter examples. I think what you’re talking about fits post-zionists much more accurately. And in terms of post-zionism I agree.

          Adi Callai has also done phenomenal work about bringing an end to Zionism, he has a great analysis of Franz Fanon as well.