If this is true, the EU better be figuring out how to change that price calculus for them. Which makes me doubt an open admission actually did happen, since China would understand the possibility for blowback.
I used to joke that China wants to trade Ukraine for Taiwan, now it is very clear: you shut up about helping/recognizing/arming Taiwan and we keep a leash on russia…until next time…
any sociological doctorates in here? What does it say about the state of the ruZZian war, when chinas FM weighs in on their vision for the war?
Not just Beijing.
Sure they can
True, they can demand Haishenwai and Outer Manchuria all the way to and including lake Baikal to help russia keep what it has stolen from Ukraine. Or else…geh fuck yourselves.
China has chosen to be the enemy the west and rules based order then.
rules based order
The rules based order is allowing genocide to happen in Gaza.
tramp has chosen to be the enemy of the west and the rules based order, China’s just been having a wonderful time flying under the cover of the daily orange meltdown since the clown show started.
PS: they don’t even have to do anything, they just have to point at trump and say “democracy, you mean THAT?” And they’ll be using it as evidence against the “chaos of democracy” worldwide.
No, you’re not understanding what is being said here. The west has always declared China the opponent and they’ll take China on when they finish their other conflicts like Russia. The EU has consistently asked China to stop Russia. China’s just saying the quiet part out loud. Who in their right mind would help you after you constantly called me a threat and told me if Russia falls you’re coming after me?
The west has always declared China the opponent and they’ll take China on when they finish their other conflicts like Russia.
Always? Citation needed. After COVID, maybe? Or did it start with tramp in 2016, maybe sooner at the 2008 olympics? Certainly in 1993 that was not the case when China entered the WTO.
And of course: nearly nobody in the EU wanted to fight russia or spend more on defense until forced to open their eyes on russia’s reinvasion of Ukraine in 2022.
At least since Obama.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Asian_foreign_policy_of_the_Barack_Obama_administration
Here’s an EU based article saying that really it’s been happening since Clinton.
https://ecpr.eu/Events/Event/PaperDetails/25139
Always as in before anyone currently in power was in power.
Now, China is just saying what your thinking. If EU isn’t supporting USA on this, we can talk. Otherwise what do we gain from not keeping Russia afloat?
Edit btw the point of all of this is China is literally telling the EU how to stop the war. Turn on the US
Yeah, the 1st paper is from 2015, that’s after the Hong Kong protests, when it was finally clear that China was going to stamp out democracy in Hong Kong and Xi Jinping’s new Wolf Warrior diplomacy. Excuse us for being…unimpressed.
Eh, but I’m not making any predictions, but if russia implodes by repeatedly hitting their head against a wall, you’re cleaning up that mess, not us, he’s your drunken psychotic friend now. We already got plenty scalded trying to rehab them and getting blamed for everything that went wrong.
That was a paper talking about history. That it started before Obama even. Though, as the wiki article states at a minimum it started with Obama. Also, why would Russia lose? The implied threat is your going to be facing down J20s if it gets bad enough.
Clarity is actually better in these things.
I’m clear. The EU talks about wanting to stop Russia, but doesn’t actually work with the partner that can stop Russia. That’s as clear as it gets.
The crackdown on the George Floyd protests was far more violent and deadly. You can’t point at China when your own house is a mess.
Since the Opium Wars. Churchill even talked about breaking China apart a la the Muslim World so that it can never rise again.
Yeah, that guy’s gone. The policy with China was to encourage it to become the Germany of Asia in the hopes that it would liberalize as it developed. Well…no…shit happens…
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It is not like Sinophobia and Yellow Perilism suddenly stopped in the West. China sees what the West is doing to Gaza and the Middle East as a whole, and knows if it weren’t for its might they would do the same to it. I see Westerners online openly daydream of breaking up China and post their maps of a broken-up China. Breaking up the Middle East and the Muslim World doomed it for over a century, why would China allow that for itself? They know they are next.
Also, why is liberalism mandatory? I don’t want my country <insert bad evil illiberal arab country> to liberalize. There are other systems that work just as well if not better than [mandatory] Liberalism. If Chinese liberalize that’s their own business and if they don’t that’s their choice.
It still baffles me how people manage to justify China’s position on Russia. Sure it’s “geopolitics” but if you take a look at domestic propaganda in China itself it’s certainly much more than that.
Check out videos of what Ukrainians deal with while living in China - its down right disgusting how brainwashed Chinese are equating Zelenskyy to the likes of Hitler in Ukrainian’s faces and thsse are just normal people in apolitical contexts like nurses in hospitals. It’s absolute insanity.
That’s just Chinese people in general on any subject. Anyone who’s actually been to that country would notice pretty quickly that things are NOT OK. The Chinese population has never not known abuse and it shows.
“Because that would be totally devastating to our plans for Taiwan.”
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Implying that the US could be too focused on Russia right now to help Taiwan defend against a Chinese invasion sounds like wishful thinking considering how little they are doing to help Ukraine.
Well, they need to help Israel fight a multi-front war and commit genocide at the same time. That’s more than just walking and chewing gum at the same time.
That is a startlingly weak position for China to be in.
Not really startling. No big player other than Russia has ever been on China’s side RE Taiwan.
I feel like Russian support is pretty much a rounding error when it comes to Chinese power.
As a side note: there is speculation that China may be approaching a change of leader due to Xi experiencing health issues (not a change of leadership in the wider sense - the collegial system of the CCP is considered to be functioning).
Thus, it may be impossible for the Chinese foreign minister to be fully confident of what China’s policy will be in the future.
Obviously, China views it as unacceptable for Russia (its ally and soon enough, practically its vassal) to all-out lose. (The easiest way to not lose, of course, is not starting a war, but that train is long gone and behind the hills.)
Prolonging the war does not eliminate this risk well, however - exhaustion could spread in Russian society and morale could collapse despite the state spewing its propaganda, or the economy could collapse. So, simply propping up Russia by letting them buy the goods they shouldn’t be getting is not a very elegant solution. Direct interference on behalf of Russia would lead to open hostility with the EU, which is currently ambivalent about China.
What remains is nudging Russia to negotiate. But Putin is hard-headed and only willing to negotiate Ukraine’s surrender, on terms which Ukrainians will laugh out of the door.
As for the US being able to focus on China, well I guess they’re a bit concerned about it, but given the mental and organizational capability of the current US leadership, I don’t think Chinese analysts are particularly worried.
Ahh, so Trump gets his orders from the Chinoruskie empire…
For now. Ideally they lose in a few years once China has a better position
You can count on tramp and his fascist toadies to lose their proxy war with China without a fight by refusing to acknowledge it until no asian ally is willing to resist or share intel out of fear of getting betrayed, like the EU and Ukraine.
5 eyes and 14 eyes are both falling apart
I mean, yeah. Russia has been a Chinese vassal state since Covid.
Before they invaded Ukraine the 2nd time they had a fearsome reputation militarily and they had some goodwill in Europe (misplaced, but they were seen as misunderstood, not fascists), they had surplus resources to help their allies in Syria, Iran, etc and their weapons sold all over the world, so they were not a vassal state of China, they had lots of options economically, politically, militarily and were free to move about money/spies/etc. Now they have much less options…but maybe tramp will give them some in exchange for nothing…
Wang’s reported comments suggest that Russia’s war in Ukraine may serve China’s strategic needs as focus is deviated away from Beijing’s mounting preparation to launch its own eventual invasion into Taiwan.
I doubt anyone has said that so clearly, but if everyone in the west has been thinking this for 3 years, I’m sure the Chinese have too.
U.S. President Donald Trump, who has not managed to broker a promised ceasefire between Moscow and Kyiv, has long viewed China as the United States’ main adversary and is predominantly focused on relations between the two nations.
Heys the only one that can negotiate a peace. On day one!
