Would love to know why you think it’s not?

We’re just arguing semantics just to argue at this point.

I can say how the paragraph says the majority of Fediverse platforms operate on ActivityPub and how ATProto is not within that majority at the moment.

Or I can say yes Diaspora is the only one that matches the original definition, but what is the definition now?

But a much better conversation is why we’re trying to fracture our conversations around decentralized social media? The data is open and can be bridged. At that point are both protocols the Fediverse? Why are we digging ourselves into a whole here on the Activitypub side and refusing to discuss how we can further the Fediverse and decentralization?

I’m fully aware that might not be #1 goal at the end of the day, but we’re starting to see multiple social media networks start to exist with their own infrastructure on ATProto (https://sprk.so/ is in beta) and more importantly hosted outside the US.

These separate networks can interact with the BlueSky network if they choose so and the BlueSky network can interact with theirs if they use their Lexicon. There are other lightweight apps being built on top of BlueSkys Lexicon and relay system as well that are whole separate apps.

To say that’s not their goal is a little weird because it’s possible right now? Sure it might be difficult but they’ve merged quite a few changes to make the relay system much more accessible, and have put a lot of effort into the identity system recently.

ATProto is it’s own protocol / network of social media services that are communicating with each other?

Posted in another comment but wikipedia disagrees.

The Fediverse (commonly shortened to fedi)[4][5][6] is a collection of social networking services that can communicate with each other (formally known as federation) using a common protocol.

We can argue semantics all day but at the end of the day I’ll hold the same stance that we shouldn’t be fracturing the communities and instead discussing the content and idea of a decentralized communicating social media landscape.

The literal first line of Wikipedia agrees with me?

The Fediverse (commonly shortened to fedi)[4][5][6] is a collection of social networking services that can communicate with each other (formally known as federation) using a common protocol.

Instead of being a patronizing ass, how about let’s have some discussion about

The ultimate goal of this subreddit is a fully decentralized social media landscape.

And how ATProto is not accomplishing this / what they can be doing differently than what’s outlined in their blog post

Or a counter argument to

Fracturing discussion between ActivityPub and ATProto helps no one, especially in niche communities like this.

The idea of the Fediverse is simply a group of social networks communicating through the same protocol, is that not what ATProto is attempting to accomplish?

I’ve been a long time supporter that ATProto actually is apart of the Fediverse. The ultimate goal of this subreddit is a fully decentralized social media landscape. Fracturing discussion between ActivityPub and ATProto helps no one, especially in niche communities like this. The long-term goal is the same, and whether that progression happens on protocol A or platform B it’s progressive nonetheless and we should discuss it.

I know this convo was 2 weeks ago, but they published a great article that includes how Identify is handled that answers our questions.

https://atproto.com/articles/atproto-ethos

Effectively identify is as the PDS level. So if Bluesky goes down and your account were through Bluesky you’d lose your identity ?*

If your account is held through another platform like Spark or your own self hosted PDS your identity would remain live.

*My question that sparked from this is if Bluesky went down and you’re already logged into a second platform, when you log into that second platform does it duplicate your DID? I’m assuming not and you’d still lose it because logins are through OIDC and the keys still exist on Bluesky.

Regardless the true path to decentralization should be everyone hosting their own identity on their own PDS w/ identity but that might be a longshot. The path to decentralization is effectively allowed but will people take advantage of it?

Holy shit the post-market drops for SPY and QQQ are insane. I haven’t seen a post/pre market move this sharp since Covid

China: 34%

Added note that this is cumulative so it’s 54% total. Confirmed by Press secretary earlier.

Identity is decentralized through the protocol so they’d be fine. Bluesky at the end of the day is just app view that sits on top of the protocol so it can disappear and everything will continue operating as long as there’s a relay online.

I see the “AI is using up massive amounts of water” being proclaimed everywhere lately, however I do not understand it, do you have a source?

My understanding is this probably stems from people misunderstanding data center cooling systems. Most of these systems are closed loop so everything will be reused. It makes no sense to “burn off” water for cooling.