A grim poll shows most Jewish Israelis support expelling Gazans. It's brutal – and true
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A new survey showing that 82 percent of Jewish Israelis support the expulsion of Gazans was met with disbelief among those who stubbornly believe that the extremists are outliers. But these trends are as consistent as they are shocking

    • RadioFreeArabia@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2·
      18 hours ago

      How is this relevant to 2025? But because you brought it up, here’s a quote by none other than Israel’s first prime minister.

      “The fellahin are not descendants of the Arab conquerors, who captured Eretz Israel and Syria in the seventh century CE. The Arab victors did not destroy the agricultural population they found in the country. They expelled only the alien Byzantine rulers, and did not touch the local population. Nor did the Arabs go in for settlement. Even in their former habitations the Arabs did not engage in farming…their whole interest in the new countries was political, religious and material: to rule, to propagate Islam, and to collect taxes…the Jewish farmer, like any other farmer, was not easily torn from his soil…Despite the repression and suffering the rural population remained unchanged.” [7]

      Also the Roman Exile ended with the Muslim conquest of the Levant.

      In 638 CE the Byzantine Empire lost control of the Levant. The Arab Islamic Empire under Caliph Omar conquered Jerusalem and the lands of Mesopotamia, Syria, Palestine and Egypt. As a political system, Islam created radically new conditions for Jewish economic, social, and intellectual development.[132] Caliph Omar permitted the Jews to reestablish their presence in Jerusalem–after a lapse of 500 years.[133] Jewish tradition regards Caliph Omar as a benevolent ruler and the Midrash (Nistarot de-Rav Shimon bar Yoḥai) refers to him as a “friend of Israel”.[133]

      So how again are you staying a centrist on a genocide of the indigenous peoples by foreign settlers? Mr./Mrs. History Buff? Does it make sense to go near 2000 years to justify a genocide when the modern settlers aren’t even from the region? Would you do the same and say Russians are Balto-Slavic people and returning to their ancestral lands? There’s more a more recent genetic and historical presence in Eastern Europe for Russians than there is for Zionist settlers in Palestine.

      The origin and migration of Slavs in Europe between the 5th and 10th centuries AD:

      • REDACTED@infosec.pubEnglish
        11·
        8 hours ago

        How is this relevant to 2025?

        Because it borderline sounded like you claimed Jews simply appeared there during WW2 and started occupying whatever they could. That is factually wrong as there is a deep Jewish history to said region. And before you throw some genetic argument at me about how those are Europeans that migrated here, understand that Jews are ethnoreligious group, not a genetic group like slavs. It doesn’t matter if you, a muslim, were born in opposite side of the world. There is a place where it will be always sacred for you, a home, written in blood and history, a home disregarded by many, but then those many keep finding Jewish artifacts there.

        Your upcoming quote pretty much confirmed what I’m trying to say.

        Does it make sense to go near 2000 years to justify a genocide when the modern settlers aren’t even from the region?

        I was quite clear about “both sides are terrible”. That is in no way justification for any of their actions, it roughly translates to “This shit is fucked up so hard from all sides that I can’t get morally invested in this for my own sanity and rather focus on my own region”. If you actually assumed that I’m supporting Israel’s actions, then you haven’t been following what I’m saying.

        There’s more a more recent genetic and historical presence in Eastern Europe for Russians than there is for Zionist settlers in Palestine.

        But the thing is, that argument is never used in real life, by anyone, and so you’re not hearing counter-arguments. No one is saying that Russia wants to take over Baltics because genetic or historical presence. That is simply not an argument here, and I don’t think you fully understand what “Slav” is, as it’s not some Russian origins. At least I’m not aware of it. I also never claimed that about Israel and Gaza (you keep assuming things, falsely). Israel has expanded far beyond what is theirs.

        • RadioFreeArabia@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          7 hours ago

          Because it borderline sounded like you claimed Jews simply appeared there during WW2 and started occupying whatever they could.

          It started before WW2, but that’s basically what happened. It is a colonizing mission and they admit it themselves.

          It doesn’t matter if you, a muslim, were born in opposite side of the world. There is a place where it will be always sacred for you, a home, written in blood and history, a home disregarded by many, but then those many keep finding Jewish artifacts there.

          It does matter. Muslims from Malaysia or wherever have no right to expel the indigenous people of Makkah and Medina if one day they converted to another religion. Just because they Zionist invaders are Jews doesn’t give them a right to colonize Palestine. Palestinians don’t lose their right to their ancestral lands because they are no longer practicing Judaism or Christianity. It is not a sensible argument. Would neo-pagans who worship Zeus have a right to expel Greeks because the majority of Greeks today are Christian? Zionist settlers have no legal or historical right to Palestine.

          But the thing is, that argument is never used in real life, by anyone, and so you’re not hearing counter-arguments. No one is saying that Russia wants to take over Baltics because genetic or historical presence. That is simply not an argument here, and I don’t think you fully understand what “Slav” is, as it’s not some Russian origins. At least I’m not aware of it. I also never claimed that about Israel and Gaza (you keep assuming things, falsely).

          So Russians only need to make the argument for them to have the right to colonize the rest of Eastern Europe? Russians are Slavs who speak a Slavic language.

          Israel has expanded far beyond what is theirs.

          None of it is theirs. European, Iranian, Amazigh and Indian settlers reviving Hebrew and practicing Judaism are still not indigenous to Palestine and have no claims to it whatsoever.

          • REDACTED@infosec.pubEnglish
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            4 hours ago

            Are you AI? Because you keep repeating things I was pretty clear about I don’t support. Ie. For the third time, I never said I support their colonization, yet you keep talking about it. You also keep downvoting all my comments, yet I never downvoted not even one from you. Sorry, but I do not feel like engaging with you any further as you seem toxic and not clear-headed.