• Initiateofthevoid@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      7 hours ago

      The idea of AI accounting is so fucking funny to me. The problem is right in the name. They account for stuff. Accountants account for where stuff came from and where stuff went.

      Machine learning algorithms are black boxes that can’t show their work. They can absolutely do things like detect fraud and waste by detecting abnormalities in the data, but they absolutely can’t do things like prove an absence of fraud and waste.

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        6 hours ago

        For usage like that you’d wire an LLM into a tool use workflow with whatever accounting software you have. The LLM would make queries to the rigid, non-hallucinating accounting system.

        I still don’t think it would be anywhere close to a good idea because you’d need a lot of safeguards and also fuck your accounting and you’ll have some unpleasant meetings with the local equivalent of the IRS.

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      8 hours ago

      How easy will it be to fool the AI into getting the company in legal trouble? Oh well.

    • vivendi@programming.dev
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      6 hours ago

      This is because auto regressive LLMs work on high level “Tokens”. There are LLM experiments which can access byte information, to correctly answer such questions.

      Also, they don’t want to support you omegalul do you really think call centers are hired to give a fuck about you? this is intentional

      • Repple (she/her)@lemmy.world
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        3 hours ago

        I don’t think that’s the full explanation though, because there are examples of models that will correctly spell out the word first (ie, it knows the component letter tokens) and still miscount the letters after doing so.

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          No, this literally is the explanation. The model understands the concept of “Strawberry”, It can output from the model (and that itself is very complicated) in English as Strawberry, jn Persian as توت فرنگی and so on.

          But the model does not understand how many Rs exist in Strawberry or how many ت exist in توت فرنگی

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            I’m talking about models printing out the component letters first not just printing out the full word. As in “S - T - R - A - W - B - E - R - R - Y” then getting the answer wrong. You’re absolutely right that it reads in words at a time encoded to vectors, but if it’s holding a relationship from that coding to the component spelling, which it seems it must be given it is outputting the letters individually, then something else is wrong. I’m not saying all models fail this way, and I’m sure many fail in exactly the way you describe, but I have seen this failure mode (which is what I was trying to describe) and in that case an alternate explanation would be necessary.

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              The model ISN’T outputing the letters individually, binary models (as I mentioned) do; not transformers.

              The model output is more like Strawberry <S-T-R><A-W-B>

              <S-T-R-A-W-B><E-R-R>

              <S-T-R-A-W-B-E-R-R-Y>

              Tokens can be a letter, part of a word, any single lexeme, any word, or even multiple words (“let be”)

              Okay I did a shit job demonstrating the time axis. The model doesn’t know the underlying letters of the previous tokens and this processes is going forward in time