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Imagine, if steam was owned by Nintendo 😂😂😂
You are getting a Lawsuit, you are getting a Lawsuit, the whole world is getting a Lawsuit.
Release for pc!!! I want to replace windooze with this
Bazzite, Kubuntu, and Fedora are all great options for you. Bazzite can boot into a SteamOS-like dedicated gaming mode. If you want more flexibility over your system, Kubuntu or Fedora are both great choices. Since Proton works on all Linux flavors, there’s no need to wait. You can get the Windows-free gaming experience now.
If you are completely new to Linux, try Kubuntu first. If you want your system to feel more game-centric, choose Bazzite. If you want a little more control and freedom over your system, choose Fedora.
It’s hard to go wrong with Linux. The most impactful choice is your desktop environment (DTE), and all of the ones I mentioned use KDE Plasma 6+, which is fantastic. It’s like what Windows could be if Microsoft wasn’t so aggressively anti-UX.
Tbh I don’t agree at all that kubuntu is easier for beginners, that may have been the case 5 or so years ago, but bazzite and aurora are the best now, also there’s literally no reason to use fedora over bazzite or aurora since they’re literally the same thing except with some added packages and important fixes (especially the ffmpeg fix that makes twitch work)
I honestly think ubuntu based distros are an outdated suggestion for beginners, I think immutability is extremely important for someone who is just starting out, as well as starting on KDE since it’s by far the most developed DE that isn’t gnome and their… design decisions are unfortunate for people coming from windows.
I think only immutable kde distros should be recommended to beginners as a result, the mere fact that bazzite and other immutables generate a new system for you on update and let you switch between and rollback automatically is enough for me to say it’s better, but it also has more up to date software, and tons of guides (fedora is one of the most popular distros, and bazzite is essentially identical except with some QoL upgrades).
How common is the story of “I was new to linux and completely broke it”? that’s not a good user experience for someone who’s just starting, it’s intimidating, scary, and I just don’t think it’s the best in the modern era. There’s something to be said about learning from these mistakes, but bazzite essentially makes these mistakes impossible.
Furthermore because of the way bazzite works, package management is completely graphical and requires essentially no intervention on the users part, flathub and immutability pair excellently for this reason.
I have 15 years of linux experience and am willing to infinitely troubleshoot if you add me on matrix.
I like Fedora simply because you don’t have to take extra steps to remove Snaps. I’ve gone from being fan of Ubuntu to avoiding it because of the way Canonical has behaved in recent years and the negative impacts that behavior has had on the distro (and community). It feels immoral preferring a Red Hat/IBM distro over Ubuntu, but unfortunately it’s the better product.
I recommend Kubuntu to new users simply because the documentation, website, and learning material is better. Bazzite is also not without it’s quirks, especially if you want to start learning more about Linux in general and branching out beyond gaming.
How is HDR support? One of the only reasons I updated to Win 11 was Auto HDR features.
Unless you specifically want Steam OS’s gaming mode, any Linux distro (Arch definitely) with KDE Plasma 6 will give you more or less the same experience. Not that I don’t think Valve should do so.
With the same game comparability as steamos? Idk much about this stuff…
Bazzite is basically just Steam OS but support for more hardware. And easier to extend. You could drop it on your steam deck and if you don’t muck around in the terminal you probably wouldn’t know.
With the same game comparability as steamos?
They all work with wine. Only for you I will spin up an image of AmongOS and Hannah Montana Linux with a flatpak of Lutris and play cyberpunk on there
And I already know, it won’t change shit if its Debian 2, as long as a flatpak of lutris runs on it, it will have the same performance as with steam OS
it won’t change shit if its Debian 2
So at best kernel 2.2.xx good luck with the hardware support. Flatpack is not a solution for everything.
Yes.
If you want the same UX, check out Bazzite, it’s designed to replace SteamOS directly.
afaik yes, you just have to install Steam and Enable Steam Play. There’s also Lutris which includes support for Steam and other stores.
Pretty much. If it works for the steam deck it should work for the desktop. There are some exceptions for some brand new games. But if you want to wait a week or two for new releases usually it’s fine.
Why wait for steam os? Bazzite and others already do everything steam os does and probably better and more.
I agree but steam OS is going to be a hell of a lot more popular and have more support as a result.
Just don’t tell people is Linux, they’ll switch for steam and get out of windows’ grasp
Sure, but it’s not available yet. Someone interested in Steam OS would probably be happy with Bazzite today.
Steam constantly updates their ID. I agree with you.
Will it though? I love what Valve has done for the linux community. But didn’t they abandon Steam OS 2 too? Why will it be better this time? I feel like they would only give official support for handhelds/systems that are officially released with it.
It’s normal for old versions of an OS to stop receiving support after a new version replaces it. That’s not unique to steam OS. if I install an old version of bazzite, or any deprecated Linux kernel, modern apps will not necessarily be made backwards compatible with it.
But steam OS will have more installs than any other Linux variant just because of Valve’s brand recognition alone and the FOSS community will target it as their primary platform for software compatibility as a result.
This is the big reason why I want to hop aboard an Arch SteamOS desktop train. If I ever have to wrangle with technical issues, or goddess forbid, the terminal, I want the documentation to be there to walk me through it. My first attempt at transitioning over to Linux Mint didn’t work out, since there were technical issues that got in the way of fully replacing Windows 11.
Having reliable compatibility reduces the need for documentation, and a standardized platform for the documentation helps even more.
Its normal when there is a new release. But steam OS 2 was abandoned long before version 3 came around.
What’s important right now is converting people away from windows. I expect Steam OS 3 to be much more beginner friendly than any other distro. If an average PC gamers first impression of linux is constant troubleshooting, they’re not going to try another kernel; they’re just going to go back to windows.
Even if valve stops support later, they will have still introduced many people to linux in a beginner friendly way and wrestled the gaming ecosystem out of microsoft’s grip that much more.
Other Linux distro can’t compete with valve. Valve constantly updates their OS and drivers. There is no way other distro can compete.
I have a steam deck. Valve releases updates almost once a month.
Other distros have been competing forever. SteamOS is built on top of Arch, which updates multiple times per day. Valve pushes a lot of updates tied to the Steam experience, some of them are also shared with normal Linux desktops, so that makes it somewhat of a moot argument. I run normal Linux (Fedora Workstation) and play games with Steam, and they run the same as my Deck, even day 1 releases.
Like, I get the appeal of a Valve-blessed Linux flavor, but as far as their stack goes, the Linux side of SteamOS is somewhat conservative (not many updates) and limited (due to read-only OS images) compared to normal Linux distros and the gaming side also gets pushed to all Linux distros. As a Steam Deck owner, I personally think Bazzite is more interesting for a real world gaming desktop usage than SteamOS, where you can’t even print documents because it lacks the required stack!
To show how conservative it is, I call recall a few examples:
- The desktop side, which runs the KDE Plasma desktop, was stuck on version 5.27 for ages and just got recently updated to 6.2. Meanwhile, Arch and Fedora/Bazzite are rocking Plasma 6.3 and should receive Plasma 6.4 in a month or so, pretty much day one.
- The Linux kernel (although patched and tweaked) in SteamOS was still on 6.5 until a few days ago. It was bumped to 6.11 with SteamOS 3.7. Meanwhile, Arch and Fedora have been on 6.14 for weeks now, with new hardware support, performance fixes for existing hardware and some new features.
Arch releases updates every day (sometimes multiple times per day). Idk about Bazzite’s cadence, but I’m guessing it’s at least weekly, if not daily.
So they (Valve) can count to 3 ‽
SteamOS
SteamOS 2
SteamOS 2: Episode One
SteamOS 2: Episode Two
SteamOS: AlyxYou forgot SteamOS: Blue Shift and SteamOS: Opposing Force. (The latter of which has a Windows theme)
I have been following the updates in beta and preview, which have been every few days.
For those with an AMD handheld waiting for a stable release, this is it. RIP windows
Oh, and I use it is desktop mode half the time, works good for me.
Most users aren’t going to install a new OS, especially on a handheld.
The third party devices coming out with SteamOS already installed are significantly more interesting than this .iso.
Do true. I use PC game pass. There is no Linux support
Most users aren’t going to install a new OS, especially on a handheld
This makes it easier for third-party devices to come with it stock installed or for people like you and me to set it up for friends. The kind of people who want handheld PCs are already going to skew more tech savvy, so I would not downplay how significant this release is.
Clearly it was worth valve’s time and attention, so my guess is they know something you don’t lol
Clearly it was worth valve’s time and attention, so my guess is they know something you don’t lol
Every manufacturer provides a firmware reset image or tool. It’s not some mystery.
But sure, get weirdly offended because somebody pointed out the obvious lol
I’m not sure where you got I was offended…? I get I was being a bit flippant with that end piece there but there’s no need to get weirdly bent out of shape about it lol. Especially when you’re purely going off vibes to make broad proclamations about an industry neither of us works in.
The website literally states this image is meant for the Steam Deck and Legion Go S, not other random devices.
But sure, go on, you must know something Valve doesn’t, as you so eloquently put it.
I seem to have struck a nerve here or something. I think it’s better for both of us if we just move on dude
Hur Durr Valve knows something you don’t
Here’s Valve explicitly claiming the same as I did
Hur I struck a nerve time to stop the conversation
Hahaha sure buddy
For the ROG Ally, How about for the back buttons and the “armory crate” buttons? Does this finally have the functionality?
It says only Lenovo Legion Go huh? Guess not yet…
From my experience, the back buttons on my device didn’t appear to work until a recent update, I expect device support to continue as future updates continue.
I expect much more success from steamOS in the future compared to Windows.
Do you have an ROG ally now? If so, do all buttons work?
I have a legion go
Oh okay. I’ll have to see if others with an Ally try it
So if I replace windows with this does that mean I can say ‘I use arch btw’?
You can without using it if you really want to. I probably wouldn’t though. I use Garuda, which is Arch based, but I don’t say I use Arch ever. However, basically everything on the Arch wiki will apply (which is probably the greatest resource for Linux even if not on Arch), and also the AUR will work.
Just so you’re aware though like others have said, this should probably not replace Windows for your desktop. It’s designed for a handheld, not a desktop. Use a distro designed for desktop if you want to. Garuda has a great version for gaming that gets you up and running in minutes. There are a lot of other great choices too.
Yes, welcome
It’s not intended for desktop use.
And here i am using steamos for work 😂
Users should not consider SteamOS as a replacement for their desktop operating system
ah crap, I missed that line entirely.
The side effect of SteamOS is that Arch Linux totally rocks for gaming.
ArchLinux totally rocks for gaming.Any disto with a reasonably recent kernel and drivers will rock for gaming.
Is it? Or did they choose Arch because of the ease of setting it up with all the latest software the community was already packaging?
Is it? Or did they choose Arch because of the ease of setting it up with all the latest software the community was already packaging?
That’s an illogical either or question because it’s both. Valve moved from Debian to Arch because of its more recent upstream packages, yes, but Valve’s upstream contributions in turn made Arch (and the other distributions) better for gaming.
Good point!
Definitely the latter
It’s very funny to see so many people waiting for a desktop version to switch to Linux on their computer when it wasn’t developed to be a desktop OS in the first place and there’s similar OS actually meant to be used on desktop PCs that exist…
Yes, like any Linux running KDE. With Steam installed.
This is the worst part of linux. I want to make the switch but the number of distros is overwhelming. Steam OS is appealing because honestly I just want the most tuned for gaming hands off version I can find.
If it exists just send me the link to the iso lmao.
Bazzite is the most “SteamOS” flavor of Linux you can get right now.
If you want an OS that has a little more control, go with Kubuntu, which is very friendly. When you’re comfortable with that and familiar enough with Linux to unhappy with Snaps and Canonical, switch to Fedora or OpenSUSE.
If you’re looking for a desktop version of SteamOS and are used to using Windows, your best bet is likely Bazzite with the KDE desktop environment. There are mixed feelings among Linux users about immutable distros, (many of the more advanced users feel it is too limiting), but there’s no denying the Bazzite is the most straightforward way to get things like Nvidia drivers and HDR.
Isn’t steam os immutable anyways? They wouldn’t be waiting for much
I love bazzite on my gaming rig, does what it says on the box, and for the gaming rig I just want a turn key, no faffing, coz it’s game time, not work time, and this is what bazzite delivers.
Awesome. Thank you .
Is it niche or does it have a pretty big community for trouble shooting?
It has a decent community, yes. It’s basically the go-to gaming distro for many people.
Omg i hate choice in the marketplace, gimme good old fashioned monopoly any day. /s
if this is what it takes for people to start taking their first look at using linux, then i’m 100% here for it. it isn’t a desktop OS yet, but it’s definitely got eyes on the penguin now.
it cannot be understated just how much work valve has put into making linux gaming viable. and it’s going to matter a lot more than some might think
It wasn’t what introduced me to linux entirely, but it is absolutely what made me realize that Linux COULD be user friendly, so I definitely give credit to Valve for that. I am now gearing up to make the switch in the near future on my desktop.
Given the rapid deterioration of Windows/Microsoft, I 100% agree. I’ll be trying to install on my Ally this weekend.
Would anyone who’s tested this say if it’s worth replacing Bazzite with?
On a handheld? Probably depends how much you use it outside game mode and what you do with it.
On a desktop? No. It’s not intended to be a fully functional desktop OS.
Ah. I’m using a Desktop so i’ll probably be sticking with Bazzite then
No it’s not
Does this mean I can install SteamOS on any device? We expect most SteamOS users to get SteamOS preinstalled on a Steam Deck or device that incorporates SteamOS. The only devices officially supported on SteamOS right now are Steam Deck and Legion Go S.
Lack of official support for a lot of devices does not make it “not released”.
I can get it right now and install it on an AMD 'puter. I expect to manually install some drivers at least to get it fully working, but since the base OS is Arch, that’s pretty explored territory.
Just because it’s not officially supported does not mean it’s released.
And it was released in 2013. This post title doesn’t make much sense.
Steam OS 3 has basically no ties its processors which makes this release meaningful
Exactly. Steam OS 1-2 were Debian based. SteamOS 3 is Arch based. That’s a massive difference, and AFAIK there’s no upgrade path to SteamOS 3.
They say that any AMD powered handheld should work. This is not a contradiction to your post:
Currently, expanded support includes devices with AMD hardware and an NVME drive, targeted toward handheld devices. Please note, support for all devices that is not officially ‘Powered by SteamOS’ is not final (currently anything that is not a Steam Deck or Legion Go S)
It’s released in the sense that they have a recovery image to reinstall it on officially supported devices, it isn’t the desktop SteamOS release people are saying it is. You still shouldn’t use it as a normal distro
According to redditors bazzite is still the better solution for the ROG Ally.
I was interested in installing it on mine but honestly I mostly play Gamepass games so it doesn’t make much sense for me
Can’t speak for handhelds, but I’ve been running Bazzite on my desktop for a year now and I love it. There are probably use cases for which an immutable distro can be limiting, but for my purposes it hasn’t been an issue at all.
I just switched my laptop and desktop to Bazzite and it’s quite cool, if I were installing a custom OS on a device I’d rather install that than SteamOS
It was released 12 years ago.
(Either way I edited the tile, and to be precise, it was released 11 years and 7 months ago)
SteamOS was originally released in 2013 - I’m not sure why this post says it’s finally ‘released’ now.
I think you know.
Its talking about the newer SteamOS 3.0
No the guys is right, at first the title did only mention SteamOS, that’s why!
Its talking about the newer SteamOS 3.0
SteamOS 3.0 was released March 2022, so more than 3 years ago.
Lol “finally”.
