First I’m hearing but that doesn’t surprise me; it’s probably better than most companies you could give your money to but, in any way they could, they don’t do anything truly groundbreaking such that I can justify to myself giving money rather than just keeping said money in my pocket (and, in turn, much more likely to go to mutual aid, charities, non-profits, or coöperatively-owned or union-banned businesses).
They could have done a more traditional coöp, open-sourced their infrastructure (even if it was just the app.!), or really emphasized a particular stance or message they as a company would stand by…but they haven’t done any of those. They basically are just offering up YouTube but as a streaming service. But that doesn’t solve the myriad of issues that make a streaming service a business that (like most businesses) prey on their customers.
Nebula doesn’t have that kind of ‘popular’ YouTubers, it’s a creator-made platform that’s more focused on science and documentary channels. I don’t think I’ve seen anything on Nebula even remotely related to gaming.
Most of them are literally Nazis. Anytime I go to youtube and finish a video all the suggested videos to watch after are obscene “anti-woke” trash.
The youtube to right-wing pipeline is real.
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Here’s after me watching an old Lightning Bolt music video. Six videos are related to Lightning Bolt, being live videos or music videos, but a solid four videos are all weird right-wing Nazi pipeline shit. One defending Trump and saying he has a plan, one lamenting the pushback against Tesla, one shitting on the new Snow White for being “woke,” and one literally with the giant title “fuck your pronouns.” Plus one old cartoon and an episode of Surrounded with one doctor vs. twenty anti-vax (I am not convinced this Surrounded show actually does anything helpful for any discourse.) I have watch history disabled so none of this comes from my watch history, this is the default that youtube gives to people.
MSN is also terrible about this shit. I turned off their new tab garbage and replaced it with Bonjourr right before the election because of all the misinformation it was showing. Crazy we just accept this shit man.
As for YouTube, this is very easy to verify. Sign out of YouTube > CTRL+F5 > look at the top viewed videos
You will see what garbage most of the populace sees when they go to YouTube without logging in. I believe this is the real reason they don’t care if people log in or not. They can push the narrative while seeming like they’re being good guys by allowing you to consume content “for free”.
You’re correct but the “He has a plan” one is from Money & Macro, a leftist (Marxist-friendly) economics channel. He’s trying to explain the broader strategy behind the tariffs, which (from skimming the video) seems similar to a theory Yanis Varoufakis had as well. I think it’s much simpler than that though… I think they’re just a sloppy way to appear tough on the world stage while crashing the economy so the ultrarich can pick up the pieces, but that’s just me.
Anyway you’re correct about the rest I think. And tbh even one pipeline video in the top recommended is too many.
I also had it disabled, started watching a longer(ish) video, closed the video and enabled history and somehow YouTube knew how much I already watched before history was on.
So my guess is that history off is only for the user, YouTube knows anyway, it just pretends not to store it
Man how many people fail to fucking read this is literally re-enforcing my point that maybe more people need to read. This me, quoting myself, from above. Further, someone else made the same kind of comment over a half hour ago and I responded the same, noting that I had already mentioned that I have watch history disabled, so Youtube does not and cannot give me recommendations based on my watch history.
I actually almost never watch Youtube except for the odd video game trailer or random comedy-shit-post-snippet. I don’t have any subscriptions or channels I care about. I read.
yeah thats such a you problem, I cant believe he’s complaining about nazis being default on YouTube, that’s such an isolated problem that only affects him, and why would anyone complain about nazis anyway aren’t they the good guys? - you, apparently
The top right video is a video absolutely dumpstering Tesla and calling it a worthless stock. Your recommendations will also highly depend on what video you were just watching, could it be that users who watch your video also happen to watch these other videos? Is that the platforms fault?
dumpstering Tesla and calling it a worthless stock.
Oh, so it’s just wall street dick sucking and pretending the whole “market” isn’t just a rigged game? Counts as right-wing slop to me.
Is that the platforms fault?
Considering we have a fuck-ton of evidence from research that it isn’t just what other people watch that determines it: Yes, it is actually. Sorry these aren’t fucking videos so that you’ll actually pay attention to them.
A lot of defense for a company that is literally in the process of saying “fuck your rights” to the same people being attacked in a lot of these videos. Jesus christ.
It’s not an easy answer, but the best way I’ve found so far is to use GrayJay.
If I find that one of the content creators I follow on YouTube happen to post their content on any other platform, I switch my subscription to that platform.
Besides YouTube they support Nebula, Twitch, Odysee, PeerTube, Dailymotion, Bitchute, Kick, BiliBili, Rumble, Patreon, and more.
Some of those, particularly Odysee and Rumble have much worse Nazis. They are the platforms of choice for British National Socialist Movement and Patriotic Alternative.
Not just catalog for viewing. What other platform can I use as cloud storage for video files for free? I have hundreds of hours of stuff uploaded there.
Except I do, because I don’t have off site storage. 3-2-1 my friend. If my house burnt down, without the cloud storage I’d lose everything. Separate local copies is good for defending against disk failure.
If your data isn’t worth a few bucks to secure maybe it isn’t worth the redundancies in the first place. Keep making excuses and hope they keep allowing you to access your data “for free” or at all.
And I’m saying you’re not paying for it, and that’s the problem. Everyone got way too comfortable with getting “free” shit from corporations that would trample our rights the second it became convenient for them.
Their ability to trample rights because of how much profit they make from horrible content is directly related to their ability to give you that space for free. “I’m not directly contributing” is a real weak excuse to keep using it, in my personal opinion.
They are already there, and someone is paying for the storage and bandwidth for what’s already there. Asking for random people to start pulling videos from YouTube and uploading them to someone else’s server is going to very quickly make that server go away.
And yes, I have tried Peertube. My experience is when I click a Peertube link from Lemmy, 9/10 it is a dead link.
Yeah and it turns out that this isn’t working well. https://github.com/Chocobozzz/PeerTube/issues/5783 Video is an unsolved problem, it’s great people are working on it but we aren’t there yet. PeerTube is not a viable YouTube alternative.
They probably thought you were me, I got blocked above for making a similar point that you’d also made (although I think you did a better job of making the point).
Apparently pointing out that Peertube still has quite a way to go to meet YouTube’s feature set just shows incompetence.
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I actually checked out their profile and we are lucky to have been blocked by them. Everything they post is either pompous, argumentative, dismissive, or some combination.
Reading vs TV was a tired debate in the eighties. YouTube is no different than tv. Hell, in some ways, because it isn’t all controlled by oligarchs entirely, I would argue that it’s easier to find good things on YouTube than it ever was on broadcast or cable tv.
Also, ablist much? How about the blind and dyslexic? Are they fucked just because you don’t like that format?
Yeah, fuck YouTube as a platform, and fuck Google/alphabet, but don’t pretend to be the arbiter of entertainment.
Last I checked braille exists and so do tools for dyslexic readers. There are literally braille terminals for the blind. Hell, the first time I saw one was in the film Sneakers in 1992.
It’s actually very easily argued that the push to touch-screen and video everything is what is actually ableist and making braille be used far less because companies are more worried about what’s cheap than what is actually useful.
Yeah, that’s some projection. You weren’t being disingenuous to pretend that videos are more helpful to the blind than braille? Get a grip.
We’re talking about a company that is happily trampling over the rights of individuals right now, you don’t think the disabled won’t be next on their chopping block?
totally agree with reading more. text is easy to consume, easy to store, (somewhat) easy to verify (if sources are provided), and it keeps (if using dead trees for storage). ever since the pandemic i started reading more and must say i really like it
What do you think keeps something deep being in the form of audio? I get that videos aren’t great for research but audio can just be written word spoken so that people that can’t read or don’t enjoy reading can experience it. I read more than pretty much anyone that I know in my age range and I don’t see myself as superior because of it and doing some comes across as frankly pomous and self important.
If as many people as possible self host their own peertube, even for just your own videos, it wouldn’t replace youtube completely, but it would be a giant leap in the right direction.
Even most people hosting at home, which is already an incredibly small bubble, have only the default upload of something like 40Mbit which is more than plenty for internet usage and thus the only thing most providers supply, since people favour download speeds.
You usually have to specifically order increased uploads speed, which not enough people do to build something that could serve as an alternative to youtube
Idk what to tell you man, I was just saying it would be cool if more people made a personal Peertube. Didn’t say everyone and their mother needed to make one, just that it would be nice if as many people as possible could make one. Again, I get that it can be hard, or not possible for most people, but if more people could make one, and made one, that would be cool.
Any suggestions where to go? I mostly watch warhammer painting content such as tutorials for techniques I don’t know and video game content either long form retrospectives to fall asleep or guides for what I am playing. I’ve tried to get off YouTube completely but these specific niches are all that’s left for me.
Cant help you with this specific type of content, but you could use Invidious.io to watch YouTube Videos. Still better than nothing. No Google API, No Tracking, no Ads and pre installed SponsorBlock.
Stop using youtube.
EDIT: A lot of people real fuckin triggered by this and looking for any excuse to keep using. Fucking addicts.
Definitely stop
What else has such a catalog? Going to be hard to persuade creators to host their own content with ads and subscriptions.
https://nebula.tv/
Lots of popular Youtubers are already there, and they strip the sponsor segments out of their content too.
I refuse to support them after they kicked Second Thought off the platform for supporting Palestinians over the GDF
First I’m hearing but that doesn’t surprise me; it’s probably better than most companies you could give your money to but, in any way they could, they don’t do anything truly groundbreaking such that I can justify to myself giving money rather than just keeping said money in my pocket (and, in turn, much more likely to go to mutual aid, charities, non-profits, or coöperatively-owned or union-banned businesses).
They could have done a more traditional coöp, open-sourced their infrastructure (even if it was just the app.!), or really emphasized a particular stance or message they as a company would stand by…but they haven’t done any of those. They basically are just offering up YouTube but as a streaming service. But that doesn’t solve the myriad of issues that make a streaming service a business that (like most businesses) prey on their customers.
The only way to pay for subscription is with a credit card, no thank you, my culture mostly doesn’t use those and I don’t have or want one.
The popular YouTubers are trash tho
Nebula doesn’t have that kind of ‘popular’ YouTubers, it’s a creator-made platform that’s more focused on science and documentary channels. I don’t think I’ve seen anything on Nebula even remotely related to gaming.
There’s definitely gaming content on there, but what I’ve seen has been of the long-form analysis type.
Most of them are literally Nazis. Anytime I go to youtube and finish a video all the suggested videos to watch after are obscene “anti-woke” trash.
The youtube to right-wing pipeline is real.
EDIT:
Here’s after me watching an old Lightning Bolt music video. Six videos are related to Lightning Bolt, being live videos or music videos, but a solid four videos are all weird right-wing Nazi pipeline shit. One defending Trump and saying he has a plan, one lamenting the pushback against Tesla, one shitting on the new Snow White for being “woke,” and one literally with the giant title “fuck your pronouns.” Plus one old cartoon and an episode of Surrounded with one doctor vs. twenty anti-vax (I am not convinced this Surrounded show actually does anything helpful for any discourse.) I have watch history disabled so none of this comes from my watch history, this is the default that youtube gives to people.
None of that has anything to do with the creators on Nebula or the Nebula platform itself.
MSN is also terrible about this shit. I turned off their new tab garbage and replaced it with Bonjourr right before the election because of all the misinformation it was showing. Crazy we just accept this shit man.
As for YouTube, this is very easy to verify. Sign out of YouTube > CTRL+F5 > look at the top viewed videos
You will see what garbage most of the populace sees when they go to YouTube without logging in. I believe this is the real reason they don’t care if people log in or not. They can push the narrative while seeming like they’re being good guys by allowing you to consume content “for free”.
Jubilee is a part of the same pipeline. See this for example.
You’re correct but the “He has a plan” one is from Money & Macro, a leftist (Marxist-friendly) economics channel. He’s trying to explain the broader strategy behind the tariffs, which (from skimming the video) seems similar to a theory Yanis Varoufakis had as well. I think it’s much simpler than that though… I think they’re just a sloppy way to appear tough on the world stage while crashing the economy so the ultrarich can pick up the pieces, but that’s just me.
Anyway you’re correct about the rest I think. And tbh even one pipeline video in the top recommended is too many.
Let me know if you find any of that trash on Nebula.
Yeah, exactly. This argument about YouTube isn’t relevant to Nebula.
Yeah, I’m pretty sure that Nebula is all “bread tubers” and left adjacent.
Wow your YouTube recommendations are very different from mine.
Funny think about that.
I also had it disabled, started watching a longer(ish) video, closed the video and enabled history and somehow YouTube knew how much I already watched before history was on.
So my guess is that history off is only for the user, YouTube knows anyway, it just pretends not to store it
The buffer only stores one video, for direct user experience purposes only, and is wiped upon playback of a subsequent video.
Well that’s just my assumption based on the company’s data privacy reputation (lul I grinned typing that)
Love how aggressive Alphabet’s Google’s YouTube is after watch history’s disabled.
#darkpattern
Well, that might be the cause. Kinda scary you get recommendations like that just due to no history.
A good portion of the country is batshit insane, I’d be more surprised if I didn’t see that represented in the recs
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Agreed.
Weird.
Mine is just Anime, vtuber, tech (the good kind) and edutainment (e.g. kurzgesagt, real engineering, ezc.).
Maybe you engage heavily in political content because I mostly avoid it like the plague.
Man how many people fail to fucking read this is literally re-enforcing my point that maybe more people need to read. This me, quoting myself, from above. Further, someone else made the same kind of comment over a half hour ago and I responded the same, noting that I had already mentioned that I have watch history disabled, so Youtube does not and cannot give me recommendations based on my watch history.
I actually almost never watch Youtube except for the odd video game trailer or random comedy-shit-post-snippet. I don’t have any subscriptions or channels I care about. I read.
That’s a you problem. Why are you complaining?
yeah thats such a you problem, I cant believe he’s complaining about nazis being default on YouTube, that’s such an isolated problem that only affects him, and why would anyone complain about nazis anyway aren’t they the good guys? - you, apparently
Y’all are just really desperate to kill any remaining faith I had in humanity that they aren’t all stupid selfish jerks, huh?
The top right video is a video absolutely dumpstering Tesla and calling it a worthless stock. Your recommendations will also highly depend on what video you were just watching, could it be that users who watch your video also happen to watch these other videos? Is that the platforms fault?
Oh, so it’s just wall street dick sucking and pretending the whole “market” isn’t just a rigged game? Counts as right-wing slop to me.
Considering we have a fuck-ton of evidence from research that it isn’t just what other people watch that determines it: Yes, it is actually. Sorry these aren’t fucking videos so that you’ll actually pay attention to them.
https://www.ucdavis.edu/curiosity/news/youtube-video-recommendations-lead-more-extremist-content-right-leaning-users-researchers
https://dl.acm.org/doi/abs/10.1145/3351095.3372879
A lot of defense for a company that is literally in the process of saying “fuck your rights” to the same people being attacked in a lot of these videos. Jesus christ.
Maybe take a break dude, no need to be this hostile over some youtube videos
Dude chill out, why are you so angry? I merely pointed out that one of the videos does not support your claims and suggested an alternative hypothesis
Sorry for upsetting you with discussion hot damn
Username checks out.
Sadly I couldn’t get it to stream reliably though it’s been a few months since I unsubscribed.
Interesting, I’ve never had an issue with the video stream on nebula
It’s not an easy answer, but the best way I’ve found so far is to use GrayJay.
If I find that one of the content creators I follow on YouTube happen to post their content on any other platform, I switch my subscription to that platform.
Besides YouTube they support Nebula, Twitch, Odysee, PeerTube, Dailymotion, Bitchute, Kick, BiliBili, Rumble, Patreon, and more.
Some of those, particularly Odysee and Rumble have much worse Nazis. They are the platforms of choice for British National Socialist Movement and Patriotic Alternative.
Yeah rumble is made by and for Nazis.
And Kick is a cesspool gambling-friendly “free speech” Twitch alternative.
Not just catalog for viewing. What other platform can I use as cloud storage for video files for free? I have hundreds of hours of stuff uploaded there.
Store on a hard drive instead.
They are all stored on local hdds, in fact I have two copies locally. I said it’s my cloud storage, my backup off site.
Sounds like you don’t need cloud storage then.
Except I do, because I don’t have off site storage. 3-2-1 my friend. If my house burnt down, without the cloud storage I’d lose everything. Separate local copies is good for defending against disk failure.
If your data isn’t worth a few bucks to secure maybe it isn’t worth the redundancies in the first place. Keep making excuses and hope they keep allowing you to access your data “for free” or at all.
None. YouTube included.
I mean, I do use YT as cloud storage for free. And before you say the “nothing is free line,” note my other replies.
Nope. The admin of sh.itjust.works lets you use their storage for free. Google does not.
There are things that are free, Youtube is not one of them.
Okay, as I said in my other replies, the videos are unlisted, not monetized, and I don’t pay for it. What is not free about that?
Is money is the only thing about yourself that you ascribe value to?
That’s not an answer to my question. What value are they getting from me?
If it’s free, you are the product (ad views), not the consumer (ad sales). Suck it up and pay for hard drives.
I have many hard drives, and none of the videos are monetized or even publically listed. As I said, it’s my cloud storage, my offsite backup.
And I’m saying you’re not paying for it, and that’s the problem. Everyone got way too comfortable with getting “free” shit from corporations that would trample our rights the second it became convenient for them.
If I’m using YT as cloud backup storage for hundreds of hours of video that is unlisted, unmonetized, how am I helping them trample rights?
Their ability to trample rights because of how much profit they make from horrible content is directly related to their ability to give you that space for free. “I’m not directly contributing” is a real weak excuse to keep using it, in my personal opinion.
We really should be working together to upload content from youtube to peertube instances.
Don’t ask for permission. Just do it. Civilly disobey.
And who is going to pay for the bandwidth and storage space on those peertube instances?
I mean, I too want to get away from YouTube, but it is going to be very difficult to convince people to pay for what YouTube gives away for free.
The people who set up the instances usually also are responsible for paying to keep them active.
I mean, they’re already there. Have you tried using Peertube?
They are already there, and someone is paying for the storage and bandwidth for what’s already there. Asking for random people to start pulling videos from YouTube and uploading them to someone else’s server is going to very quickly make that server go away.
And yes, I have tried Peertube. My experience is when I click a Peertube link from Lemmy, 9/10 it is a dead link.
Newest version of lemmy fixed this quite well. Take a look: https://lemmy.world/post/27751672
Old lemmy broke a lot of activityhub stuff unfortunately.
Gonna have to ignore you, bud.
Arguing with incompetent people such as yourself is a waste of effort.
Goodbye.
Haha, so many butthurt self-righteous people in this thread.
Why are you so toxic? I thought Lemmy was supposed to foster better discussions than Reddit but here you are name-calling and talking down to people.
Please consider treating people better in the future
Yeah and it turns out that this isn’t working well. https://github.com/Chocobozzz/PeerTube/issues/5783 Video is an unsolved problem, it’s great people are working on it but we aren’t there yet. PeerTube is not a viable YouTube alternative.
That’s just the nature of the internet.
I’m sorry, but I’m going to have to block you now.
I’ve seen too much incompetence on your part, and I need to stop validating it with responses.
Goodbye.
Wtf
They probably thought you were me, I got blocked above for making a similar point that you’d also made (although I think you did a better job of making the point).
Apparently pointing out that Peertube still has quite a way to go to meet YouTube’s feature set just shows incompetence.
Edit: I actually checked out their profile and we are lucky to have been blocked by them. Everything they post is either pompous, argumentative, dismissive, or some combination.
I dont think its ok to just rip peoples content without their permission.
Riots don’t work unless you smash some windows
Smashing your local mom-and-pop shop will surely show big businesses that you’re serious /s
That’s fine.
Nobody is forcing you to do it.
Catalog of what?
Go outside.
Maybe people could read more?
Nobody needs this endless “content” slop.
For real people need to get a grip if they can’t survive without it. They’re addicted.
Hmm yes I’ll just read about how cool two bullets hitting each other in slowmotion looks. Much better experience than watching it /s
Horse shit.
Reading vs TV was a tired debate in the eighties. YouTube is no different than tv. Hell, in some ways, because it isn’t all controlled by oligarchs entirely, I would argue that it’s easier to find good things on YouTube than it ever was on broadcast or cable tv.
Also, ablist much? How about the blind and dyslexic? Are they fucked just because you don’t like that format?
Yeah, fuck YouTube as a platform, and fuck Google/alphabet, but don’t pretend to be the arbiter of entertainment.
Last I checked braille exists and so do tools for dyslexic readers. There are literally braille terminals for the blind. Hell, the first time I saw one was in the film Sneakers in 1992.
It’s actually very easily argued that the push to touch-screen and video everything is what is actually ableist and making braille be used far less because companies are more worried about what’s cheap than what is actually useful.
Don’t be disingenuous.
Yeah, that’s some projection. You weren’t being disingenuous to pretend that videos are more helpful to the blind than braille? Get a grip.
We’re talking about a company that is happily trampling over the rights of individuals right now, you don’t think the disabled won’t be next on their chopping block?
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Hell yeah I love audiobooks /s
totally agree with reading more. text is easy to consume, easy to store, (somewhat) easy to verify (if sources are provided), and it keeps (if using dead trees for storage). ever since the pandemic i started reading more and must say i really like it
Some content lends itself well to written format. Lots of content does not.
absolutely agree. i just wanted to point out that not everything has to be a video
Hell yeah. Let’s hear it for the readers. Let’s hear it for footnotes. Let’s hear it for references. Let’s hear it for bibliographies. Let’s hear it for the more in depth ideas that can be explored via text than video or audio.
What do you think keeps something deep being in the form of audio? I get that videos aren’t great for research but audio can just be written word spoken so that people that can’t read or don’t enjoy reading can experience it. I read more than pretty much anyone that I know in my age range and I don’t see myself as superior because of it and doing some comes across as frankly pomous and self important.
Judging a captive market for not being able to break free from a monopoly is just another form of oppression, buddy.
not just stop, rip every half decent video from there and save it somewhere else. Losing everything in youtube is library of alexandria level loss.
Do it fast, they’re trying to kill yt-dlp with DRM.
If as many people as possible self host their own peertube, even for just your own videos, it wouldn’t replace youtube completely, but it would be a giant leap in the right direction.
Yep that would be nice! Yunohost can make it pretty easy to install for those of us who self host. Plus this is the fediverse. Totally agree!
The usual household has nowhere near the upload capacity to meaningfully stream videos.
“As many people as possible” not the usual household.
Even most people hosting at home, which is already an incredibly small bubble, have only the default upload of something like 40Mbit which is more than plenty for internet usage and thus the only thing most providers supply, since people favour download speeds. You usually have to specifically order increased uploads speed, which not enough people do to build something that could serve as an alternative to youtube
Idk what to tell you man, I was just saying it would be cool if more people made a personal Peertube. Didn’t say everyone and their mother needed to make one, just that it would be nice if as many people as possible could make one. Again, I get that it can be hard, or not possible for most people, but if more people could make one, and made one, that would be cool.
Any suggestions where to go? I mostly watch warhammer painting content such as tutorials for techniques I don’t know and video game content either long form retrospectives to fall asleep or guides for what I am playing. I’ve tried to get off YouTube completely but these specific niches are all that’s left for me.
Cant help you with this specific type of content, but you could use Invidious.io to watch YouTube Videos. Still better than nothing. No Google API, No Tracking, no Ads and pre installed SponsorBlock.
Thanks. I can def do that on my phone. Don’t know much about how to do it on Apple TVs or Rokus but I very seldom use them for YouTube anymore anyway.