This is some serious unprecedented bullshit. Especially when their charge was money laundering. Basically he is making money laundering legal. Go ahead and break the law. Trump will pardon you…
This is some serious unprecedented bullshit. Especially when their charge was money laundering. Basically he is making money laundering legal. Go ahead and break the law. Trump will pardon you…
Not a wild take at all. I’d bet money the guy you’re replying to thinks America’s evil is unique to it alone.
In reality, evil is just part of the human condition.
I don’t disagree. But I have a unique take on the fall of empires and the evil inherent in humans.
Imo, evil is a byproduct of human selfishness. Taking without empathy towards where it’s coming from. Money, power, property, and even life itself.
There are people that do this because of their isolated environment. (Raised to think anyone that doesn’t look like them isn’t human, and therefore it’s alright to exploited them for gain.)
And there are those that do it because they are sociopaths.
While Sociopathic diagnoses isn’t an easy thing we can pin down. In a world where our social behaviors can be dramatically affected by our genetics (autism) it’s not hard to assume sociopathy is just another manifestation of something like autism. Just a more extreme one - where a person literally is incapable of understanding others as human with emotions like them.
These people are born incapable of understanding that other people have feelings at all. So they don’t contribute to communities, they don’t help others, they just lie and pretend to be like others to exploit for their own gain. They lie to appear social and kind (towards some), as that attracts others in that group they can easily take from.
You know the uncanny valley? The unsettling feeling we get when we see CG that looks human, but doesn’t quite move or act like a real human?
imo that’s an evolutionary response to our habit of breeding sociopaths. They pretend VERY hard to be human, but lack the natural primate communal instinct everyone else is born with. They look human, but don’t act like it compared to the rest of the community.
In smaller groups, like towns or families, these people can be kicked out and otherwise ostracized to protect the smaller community from being exploited.
But in larger communities, it’s an all you can exploit buffet. In larger communities, sociopaths thrive because there is an endless amount of trusting people they can exploit. If they fail, they just move on to the next group of suckers.
If they manage to extract enough power, then all they have to do is keep lying to maintain it. But always, and eventually, at the cost of the larger community itself. There is a finite limit of exploitation that once reached, no longer serves to preserve the larger community, just the power of the sociopaths in it. The community collapses, as it’s support mechanisms have been diverted to the sociopaths, and the sociopaths are then unable to lie any longer and usually blamed / killed / ostracized for their bullshit now that it’s obvious.
So while sociopaths are thankfully not the norm when it comes to humans, just a few in a group can take down our largest efforts to civilize.
This is why smaller human cultural groups tend to have much longer histories than massive empires. (Bushido and martial arts still exist, but the Shogunate does not). We are always going to breed sociopaths, and in turn they will make sure we never get too big for our own good.
Problems arise when the world itself is now fairly united, and sociopaths have no where left to run and hide.
If we want our biggest countries and empires to persist longer than 250 years, then we needs laws that prevent sociopaths from doing their thing.
I’m a big fan of wealth caps. Because it’s non intrusive on a person’s genetics, and the only people that complain about having 800 mil to spend instead of 1 billion, are sociopaths.
Anyway. That’s my way of saying:
We are not all evil, mostly it’s sociopaths (and the wealthy brought up inhumane bubbles.)
Sociopaths are the reason every human empire has fallen.
There’s a lot of powerful sociopaths running the world because we spent decades collecting all our best resources together in large shiny empires that called the worst of us like a moth to flame for their exploitation.
More American exceptionalism.
I don’t think evil is part of the human condition.
Humans have complex language, and are capable of learning, adjusting behaviour, and building culture over time.
Capitalism is a system that teaches and enforces greed and exploitation. It’s natural for endpoint is the destruction of our environment and the enslavement of humanity.
But if we lived under a different system that was not capitalism and instead fostered sustainable, egalitarianism, while also allowing us to cooperatively build technology to improve our lives, I believe this is something that we could build a culture around. It’s not that we’re pre-programmed a certain way and always destined to fall into the same trap…. Just when you create and enforce a system that expects infinite growth within a finite system, that forces people to compete over and hoard resources then of course you’re going to get greed, exploitation, and eventually collapse.
Another world and another way of being is possible if we build it over time.
Dolphins and killer whales are capable of all the things you describe. So are all great apes. Chimpanzees are capable of genocide. It’s not even human nature. It’s just nature.
Are you familiar with Dunbar’s number? The problem isn’t how people organize, it’s how many people organize. You get groups too big, the human empathy module short circuits and starts ignoring other humans as such…
You know what other animals can organize in large collaborative groups and not fight each other? Ants, bees and mole rats. Eusocial animals.
The problem with eusocial animals is they divide into genetically determined castes… So nature has shown us it’s either small packs or become a drone for the hive, and the problem with small pack is that larger packs destroy them.
Isn’t it crazy that we learned the way to bypass nature’s ambivalence and wildly exceeded its ability to control us through incredible feats of cooperation, yet we fall back into the same old atavistic selfishness and greed and laud it as “survival of the fittest”?
I’m not sure if you’re being sarcastic or not, but that is what I actually think. Like, that’s just what empires do imo. Sharks can be pretty brutal to smaller fish. Empires are brutal to smaller nations. It’s just how it works. Nothing personal, the way I see it. vOv
This is an oversimplification that ignores nuance.
It’s like saying “everyone dies one day, so whatever symptoms you are experiencing automatically mean you are dying now”.
Technically, you’d be right though.
But yes, I ignored nuance. Would you like to talk about nuance?
On social media?..
haha why not?
Nuance is dead on social media.
It isn’t that bad, yet, on Lemmy but it gets to the point where people just scream past each other and because of things like default ranking comments by vote instead of a timeline whoever can get/bot the most votes wins and the other person is cast into the oblivion of “Click here to see more comments”.
That’s horrible but yeah… sounds right.