Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has stated that Russia is importing petrol, calling it the rightful result of the work of the Security Service, the Armed Forces, intelligence and Ukrainian weapons manufacturers.

Quote: "Today, there were also reports on our entirely justified strikes against Russian targets – against their logistics and fuel infrastructure. I am grateful to our warriors for their precision. Russia chooses war, Russia destroys our people’s lives, and must be held accountable – our long-range capabilities will increase.

  • Psythik@lemmy.world
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    20 hours ago

    I asked for a counter-argument, not a lazy link that only serves to support the other person’s argument! Come on, man, you can do better than that! Show me what you got!

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      20 hours ago

      I asked for a counter-argument, not a lazy link

      You get what you pay for. The 2023 counteroffensive was a total flop. It was so bad that Prigozhin’s whole mercenary company walked away from the front lines and marched on Moscow without costing Russia an iota of stolen territory.

      You could learn how and why it failed, if you bothered to read the finer details. But you’ve chosen to be a cheerleader for a disastrous management of the world’s fifth largest military instead. Might as well announce you’re a die-hard fan of William McClellan as defend the Ukrainian top brass.

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        14 hours ago

        Why are you defining Ukraine’s performance over on one battle? That’s like saying the Allies lost World War 2 because they lost the Battle of France, Singapore and Manila. You are conveniently forgetting the 2022 Kharkiv counteroffensive, the destruction of Russian Black Sea fleet and the ongoing drone campaigns. Those are good planning. The main reason the Ukrainian 2023 offensive flopped was because of intelligence leak and the Russians knew of the plan and had time to dig in. The best comparison to this is the WWII Battle of Kursk and when Rommel attacked first before the British does, because they knew what’s coming thanks of intelligence leaks.

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          6 hours ago

          Why are you defining Ukraine’s performance over on one battle?

          It’s a clear illustration of their overall military performance.

          That’s like saying the Allies lost World War 2 because they lost the Battle of France, Singapore and Manila.

          These are all strong indictments of Allies military strategy and a big reason why the war dragged on until 1945, killed tens of millions of additional people.

          The main reason the Ukrainian 2023 offensive flopped was because of intelligence leak

          You simply do not know what you’re talking about. The Ukrainians underestimated Russian fortifications and artillery power, then deployed what was a relatively large and agile pool of armored vehicles into a series of choke points that were easy to bombard.

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        19 hours ago

        Thank you. I disagree, but I will consider your argument and dig deeper when I get the chance to.