I am not from America and lives in Europe. I am trying to understand what life and values the republicans in office right now wants for America. Is the 50’s America the kind of country they hope to go back to or is it somewhat of a new state we have never seen before?
I am genuinely wondering if they have some kind of “utopian” community in mind doing all these changes to the economy and values.
More like 1850s laws where they could own people they deemed lesser, with a 1950s Leave it to Beaver Coat of paint slapped on top… Where women couldn’t get divorced without specific cause or have their own bank accounts, and everyone was pretending to be Christian due to the red scare
Did you know that in North Carolina, you need to be physically separated from your spouse for a full year before you can get divorced?
Ok? Even that archaic law is still world’s better than “he’s an asshole and there’s no love left, but since he hasn’t beaten me yet I can’t EVER get a divorce” like it used to be before no fault divorce was legal. And marital rape was just…allowed.
So not sure what point you’re trying to make here.
I was agreeing with you and providing an example of a stupid archaic law about marriage.
There are, broadly speaking, two kinds of people invested in politics. The first has money and power, and uses it to get more money and more power. The other has no money and no power, and somehow believes the first type when the first type says ‘give me your money and power, and then you will have more money and power.’
Yes but also, the 1950s here were a time of social backlash. In the 1940s women were wearing bold red lipstick (because Hitler vocally didn’t like it) and engaging heavily in the economy even in male dominated fields because so many men were in the military that we couldn’t keep the country going otherwise. Meanwhile the men were fighting side by side in desegregated units.
So war ends, and a decent portion of the returning soldiers think things are going to return to normal. But the women got a taste of the freedom of economic independence and black men got a taste of being treated less awfully. The white men feel emasculated. But the benefits of the new deal are here and so a single man can support a family and even move to the all white suburbs on his income thanks to his union job, veteran benefits, and government assistance meant to prevent another period of mass poverty. And this is ignoring the whole deal of how LGBT issues were impacted by the war and its end. Also the second red scare and lavender scare (McCarthyism) happened in the late 40s-early 50s.
And so yeah while you have some counterculture movements in the 50s like beatnicks, biker and leather clubs, the mattachine society, and greasers as well as fighting for black civil rights, the 50s were largely defined by the reactionary forces as the discontent built. The 60s didn’t spring up out of nowhere.
They’re fascists. Literally.
They want to oppress in order to gain total control. Because that’s what fascists do.
So no, the 50s don’t really fit the bill for what they’re being clear they want. In the 50s the middle class was strong because we taxed the everloving fuck out of the wealthy. That’s not what they’re going for here.
Judging by how they want Jim Crow-era laws back, we can assume they want the 1870 ~ 1959 period back.
But honestly, they are fascists. They want do what the Nazis did except more Amercianized. Sure we won’t have dedicated labor camps or extermination camps in our country. But, we’ll happily blitz through laws to be passed that’ll make it harder and harder for LGBTQ people to have rights. Don’t like middle-class? No problem! We’ll just orchestrate a system with our trusty friend, Capitalism, that’ll make it harder for things to be affordable for them.
Laws? What laws? lol, only for those who can’t afford to break them. Rules and Accountability? Lol, what’s that? That’s only for those people who’re tied to this silly concept called morals and karma.
That’s America for you.
No. They absolutely do not want to go back to the 50s. If anything they’re trying to go back to the Gilded Age. They don’t want any part of the 50s.
Other people have more detailed and factual answers, but a good heuristic is “there must be outgroups for the law to bind but not protect, and in groups for the law to protect but not bind”. That’s what they want. They want to do what they want while women and queers and non-whites are subjugated. They want to say something inappropriate and touch their women coworkers without consent, and know if she raises her voice she’ll be fired.
They are scum.
And the benefit of using the harassment of women against you in the future if you step out of line.
It’s *consequences for thee and not for me" at the finest.
Ever since Rush Limbaugh, the Republican strategy has been to oppose everything the Democrats do.
It’s the only way they can stay relevant.
They’re the Technocracy movement, started in the 1930s and stewing as a behind the scenes backer of conservative movements, such as the heritage foundation
Wikipedia link. If you read through that, you’ll find a lot of the seemingly random shit they say, like taking the Panama canal, Greenland, and Canada, it’s all related. This is the end goal
I do not think that they are pure technocrats. I think they do want to make an American empire, which has a spiritual and religious component to it.
What’s a pure technocrat? Technocracy wants to control all aspects of life, they want the tech oligarchs in charge, they want to be generally isolationist and carve up the world into blocs
That’s how these people act. That’s where they focus, that’s what they hint and feel out responses for. This is the roadmap they’re using
Spirituality? Religion? Patriotism? These things are a veneer to fascists. They don’t believe in any of that, hell they generally don’t even believe in Technocracy… This is a means to an end
They’re Fascists. They don’t believe in anything but power and using it against their enemies
Try 1830s
1750s
They want something closer to what Pinochet or Franco had going on
It is silly. You do not go back to the America of the 50’s without the rest of the world being in the 50’s.
See Europe and most of the world other than America destroying itself in the second world war, and the Bretton Woods agreement.
Boomers were able to buy a house on one income because they took a load of the world’s income because of how America exploited the world post WW2.
This does not happen now.
The want the racist, sexist social aspects of the 50s, but not the economic ones. LBJ’s New Deal allowed a thriving middle class to actually exist at the expense of wealthy people having as much money in their hoard. Can’t have that!
The voters were probably thinking about the nostalgia they had as a result of the progressive eras, because they’d get all the benefits, while also not having do deal with racism since they’re white.
Correct.
They are legitimately too stupid to tell the difference between their specific childhood and the state of the entire world, so they think they can go back there if they try hard enough and force everyone else to pretend.
No utopias there, just rednecks doing whatever they want with no consequences. Or, that’s what they think as the consequences build up until they’re all dead.
This isn’t rebirth, it’s fire. They’re setting the place on fire, because they want to see people burn as they die. They think it’s funny. Their fictional god told them it’s OK!
I think people are desperate for change. Housing crisis and costs of living are unbearable for a huge portion of the population, which drives them crazy.
