Sort of a follow up to my topic asking why NDE Research wasn’t taken seriously. Which btw I got great replies to.

I was expecting the usual “Oh near death isn’t REALLY death.” And “Because its bullshit.” Strawman non answers

But instead I got people interfacing with the data and pointing out that an afterlife was no the direction the data headed outside of spirituality circles that did not interpret the data correctly to begin with.

So looking at how everything to do with conciousness leads to the brain and how we have discovered that a sense of self separate from the body is illusionary.

I have to ask

Is it an open secret that the afterlife is debunked?

I can find tons of arguments and information against it and the only thing supporting basically going “Well the brain is your conciousness but no one knows for sure.”

So a “I’m not saying no, but I sure as hell am not saying yes.” Being the strongest yes isn’t exactly reassuring. It makes me think the “I don’t know” is actually a “no” trying to be polite

  • Canaconda@lemmy.caEnglish
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    21 days ago

    https://www.removepaywall.com/search?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.popularmechanics.com%2Fscience%2Fa63831340%2Fdmt-near-death-experience%2F

    It’s inferred because we see it in animals, but have yet to scientifically observe it in humans for obvious ethical reasons.

    I get your point but do not necessarily agree that the body’s reluctance to die disproves an afterlife especially since if the afterlife is real that means the body is not the self.

    1. So you asked for evidence that the afterlife doesn’t exist. As such the mere assumption that the afterlife does exist is not a sufficient refutation of the evidence presented to you. I’m not disagreeing with your assessment, just pointing out that the way you’re conducting this discussion is inappropriate for a science based community.

    2. You actually don’t get my point. I’m not saying biology disproves the existence of the afterlife.

    I’m saying based on biological behaviour, whatever afterlife might exist, doesn’t interact with our biology in a way that our biology is aware of said afterlife’s existence.

    That’s why my caveat regarding NDE is that maybe the brain is uploading your spirit to heaven we just don’t have the neurological understanding to observe that currently.

    • QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
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      21 days ago

      I’m saying based on biological behaviour, whatever afterlife might exist, doesn’t interact with our biology in a way that our biology is aware of said afterlife’s existence.

      Ah my apologies, I didn’t realize that’s what you meant. Sorry you’re right I actually did not get your point and am dumb.